From adam@bostoncoop.net Wed Jul 14 18:11:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: by bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BE42513314; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:11:47 -0400 From: Adam Rosi-Kessel To: bostoncriticalmass@lists.bostoncoop.net Message-ID: <20040714221147.GA31818@bostoncoop.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040523i Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] Test MEssage X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:11:48 -0000 Just testing. -- Adam Rosi-Kessel http://adam.rosi-kessel.org From adam@bostoncoop.net Wed Jul 14 18:12:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: by bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2BCFE13314; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:12:10 -0400 From: Adam Rosi-Kessel To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org Message-ID: <20040714221210.GB31818@bostoncoop.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040523i X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:12:39 -0400 Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] test 2 X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:12:10 -0000 testing list -- Adam Rosi-Kessel http://adam.rosi-kessel.org From adam@bostoncoop.net Wed Jul 14 18:13:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: by bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A7A901333E; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:13:37 -0400 From: Adam Rosi-Kessel To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org Message-ID: <20040714221337.GC31818@bostoncoop.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040523i Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] testing X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:13:37 -0000 Test to list! -- Adam Rosi-Kessel http://adam.rosi-kessel.org From adam@bostoncoop.net Wed Jul 14 18:18:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: by bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id ED28A1333E; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:18:08 -0400 From: Adam Rosi-Kessel To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org Message-ID: <20040714221808.GA32068@bostoncoop.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040523i Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] test 3 X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:18:09 -0000 testing rewrite -- Adam Rosi-Kessel http://adam.rosi-kessel.org From adam@bostoncoop.net Wed Jul 14 18:27:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: by bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B470913314; Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:27:41 -0400 From: Adam Rosi-Kessel To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org Message-ID: <20040714222741.GB32223@bostoncoop.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040523i Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] test 3 X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 22:27:42 -0000 testing rewrite -- Adam Rosi-Kessel http://adam.rosi-kessel.org From ajp@aripollak.com Thu Jul 15 13:12:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.alienhosting.com (discovery.alienhosting.com [216.12.200.63]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698B71334E for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23431 invoked by uid 531); 15 Jul 2004 13:12:18 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO secure.alienhosting.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Jul 2004 13:12:18 -0400 Received: from discovery.alienhosting.com ([216.12.200.63]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user ajp@ebnj.net); by secure.alienhosting.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49682.216.12.200.63.1089911538.squirrel@216.12.200.63> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:12:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ari Pollak" To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] bike questions X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:12:20 -0000 So I'm currently in the process of shopping for a new bike, and have a few questions. - Why do some bikes come with a chainring guard and some don't? Could something as simple as that really affect performance or weight? - Why do hybrid bikes tend to be significantly more expensive than mountain bikes, even when the mountains have multiple shocks? - Why do some people prefer stiff forks instead of front shocks if they come out to the same price? From board@iant.com Thu Jul 15 13:12:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from control.mynet.net (control.mynet.net [63.175.195.228]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA41813362 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13459 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jul 2004 17:12:26 -0000 Date: 15 Jul 2004 17:12:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20040715171226.13458.qmail@control.mynet.net> From: board@iant.com To: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org Cc: Subject: Re: [*BCM*] bike questions X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:12:29 -0000 Jazzak Allah Khair for your email. One or more board members will be responding to your inquiry soon, insha\'Allah. ma salama From board@iant.com Thu Jul 15 13:12:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from control.mynet.net (control.mynet.net [63.175.195.228]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594CE13357 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13566 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jul 2004 17:12:35 -0000 Date: 15 Jul 2004 17:12:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20040715171235.13564.qmail@control.mynet.net> From: board@iant.com To: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org Cc: Subject: Re: Re: [*BCM*] bike questions X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:12:40 -0000 Jazzak Allah Khair for your email. One or more board members will be responding to your inquiry soon, insha\'Allah. ma salama From dave@the-wild.net Thu Jul 15 13:21:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from pobox1.ipowerweb.com (unknown [66.235.199.206]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F0B13365 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host47.ipowerweb.com (host47.ipowerweb.com [66.235.195.154]) by pobox1.ipowerweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E8612C59B for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpanel by host47.ipowerweb.com with local (Exim 4.24) id 1Bl9uo-0006yh-7f for bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:21:02 -0700 Received: from 204.167.92.26 ([204.167.92.26]) by www.the-wild.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:21:02 -0400 Message-ID: <1089912062.40f6bcfe31db5@www.the-wild.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:21:02 -0400 From: Dave Roberts To: Boston Critical Mass Subject: Re: [*BCM*] bike questions References: <49682.216.12.200.63.1089911538.squirrel@216.12.200.63> In-Reply-To: <49682.216.12.200.63.1089911538.squirrel@216.12.200.63> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 204.167.92.26 X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:21:02 -0000 Rigid forks = better efficiency on the road Chainguards, more common in other countries where cycling is more widely accepted as form of transportation vs. a toy or recreation device? Price, depends on the bikes? For example? Quoting Ari Pollak : * So I'm currently in the process of shopping for a new bike, and have a few * questions. * * - Why do some bikes come with a chainring guard and some don't? Could * something as simple as that really affect performance or weight? * - Why do hybrid bikes tend to be significantly more expensive than * mountain bikes, even when the mountains have multiple shocks? * - Why do some people prefer stiff forks instead of front shocks if they * come out to the same price? * * * _______________________________________________ * Boston Critical Mass mailing list * list@bostoncriticalmass.org * http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list * From ajp@aripollak.com Thu Jul 15 13:27:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.alienhosting.com (discovery.alienhosting.com [216.12.200.63]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C67A13365 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26165 invoked by uid 531); 15 Jul 2004 13:27:42 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO secure.alienhosting.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Jul 2004 13:27:42 -0400 Received: from discovery.alienhosting.com ([216.12.200.63]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user ajp@ebnj.net); by secure.alienhosting.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49972.216.12.200.63.1089912462.squirrel@216.12.200.63> In-Reply-To: <1089912062.40f6bcfe31db5@www.the-wild.net> References: <49682.216.12.200.63.1089911538.squirrel@216.12.200.63> <1089912062.40f6bcfe31db5@www.the-wild.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [*BCM*] bike questions From: "Ari Pollak" To: "Boston Critical Mass" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:27:43 -0000 > Rigid forks = better efficiency on the road ah, ok. Do you think it makes much of a difference riding around the city? > Chainguards, more common in other countries where cycling is more widely > accepted as form of transportation vs. a toy or recreation device? interesting, though I wonder what the disadvantage of one could possibly be. > Price, depends on the bikes? For example? I don't really have much for comparison, but I guess I'll just assume the more expensive ones have better components (there are so many different ones...) Also, what's your opinion about skinny road tires vs. slightly wider hybrid tires? Does wider always equal more stability? From crcarter@cs.indiana.edu Thu Jul 15 13:34:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sheepskin.cs.indiana.edu (sheepskin.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.247.107]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF89413365 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sheepskin.cs.indiana.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sheepskin.cs.indiana.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/IUCS_2.61) with ESMTP id i6FHYHXZ004218 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from crcarter@localhost) by sheepskin.cs.indiana.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i6FHYH4G004217 for bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:34:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:34:17 -0500 From: Clayton Carter To: Boston Critical Mass Subject: Re: [*BCM*] bike questions Message-ID: <20040715173417.GA3472@sheepskin.cs.indiana.edu> References: <49682.216.12.200.63.1089911538.squirrel@216.12.200.63> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49682.216.12.200.63.1089911538.squirrel@216.12.200.63> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:34:19 -0000 > - Why do some bikes come with a chainring guard and some don't? Could > something as simple as that really affect performance or weight? It probably depends on the `intended' use. If the bike is designed for a lot of athletic riding, then they'll probably assume you'll be wearing tight clothing and will save the weight and leave the guard off. If the bike is designed for more casual or commuter use, then they might include a guard to that your pants/shoestrings don't get caught or greasy. Just speculation. > - Why do some people prefer stiff forks instead of front shocks if they > come out to the same price? Like someone else mentioned, stiff forks are more efficient for lots of on the road performance. Shocks, no matter how stiff they're set, will absorb some of the energy that you're putting into pedaling and reduce your overall efficiency. They might be handy if you hit a lot of potholes, but it's probably better in the long run to just avoid the potholes. Clayton From TSmith4918@aol.com Thu Jul 15 13:43:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E73E13365 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TSmith4918@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id a.ae.5cc1dd12 (3858) for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:43:43 -0400 (EDT) From: TSmith4918@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:43:43 EDT Subject: Re: [*BCM*] bike questions To: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1089913423" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5112 X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:43:46 -0000 -------------------------------1089913423 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/15/2004 1:28:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, ajp@aripollak.com writes: > Rigid forks = better efficiency on the road ah, ok. Do you think it makes much of a difference riding around the city? depends on your riding style; if you want speed and don't mind a few jarring bumps along the way, go with the stiff fork; if you like a cushier ride and don't mind losing some speed, go with the shocks (shocks are also very good for potholes and off road riding); full suspension bikes tend to be very sluggish... > Chainguards, more common in other countries where cycling is more widely > accepted as form of transportation vs. a toy or recreation device? interesting, though I wonder what the disadvantage of one could possibly be. personal preference; they keep your pant cuffs from getting greasy...other than that, they are not missed much if you don't have one.. > Price, depends on the bikes? For example? I don't really have much for comparison, but I guess I'll just assume the more expensive ones have better components (there are so many different ones...) Also, what's your opinion about skinny road tires vs. slightly wider hybrid tires? Does wider always equal more stability? if you are inexperienced and do most of your riding around the city, use the hybrid tyres or go with a mountain bike....road bike (skinny tyres) are good for speed and smooth pavement. -------------------------------1089913423 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 7/15/2004 1:28:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, ajp@arip= ollak.com writes:
> Rigid forks =3D better efficiency on the=20= road
ah, ok. Do you think it makes much of a difference riding around the= city?
depends on your riding style; if you want speed and don't mind a few ja= rring bumps along the way, go with the stiff fork;  if you like a cushi= er ride and don't mind losing some speed, go with the shocks (shocks are als= o very good for potholes and off road riding);  full suspension bikes t= end to be very sluggish...


> Chainguards, more common in other= countries where cycling is more widely
> accepted as form of transpor= tation vs. a toy or recreation device?
interesting, though I wonder what=20= the disadvantage of one could possibly be.
personal preference;  they keep your pant cuffs from getting greas= y...other than that, they are not missed much if you don't have one..


> Price, depends on the bikes? For=20= example?
I don't really have much for comparison, but I guess I'll just a= ssume the
more expensive ones have better components (there are so many d= ifferent
ones...)

Also, what's your opinion about skinny road tire= s vs. slightly wider
hybrid tires? Does wider always equal more stability= ?
if you are inexperienced and do most of your riding around the city, us= e the hybrid tyres or go with a mountain bike....road bike (skinny tyres) ar= e good for speed and smooth pavement.
-------------------------------1089913423-- From TSmith4918@aol.com Thu Jul 15 13:48:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB9513365 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TSmith4918@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id a.1e4.2521c2cf (3858) for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:47:51 -0400 (EDT) From: TSmith4918@aol.com Message-ID: <1e4.2521c2cf.2e281d46@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:47:50 EDT Subject: Re: [*BCM*] bike questions To: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1089913670" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5112 X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:48:06 -0000 -------------------------------1089913670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit by the way, Ari, you can save a pile by shopping used bikes.. check out "craig's list" or ebay on the web, or some of the local shops sell used (City Bike on Tremont at Berkeley) and Boston Bike(?) on Beacon just over the pike towards Brookline.... with the online auctions, it's helpful to have someone knowledgeable help you out in in terms of appropriate size, style, price, and condition...I have had pretty good luck with ebay... -------------------------------1089913670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
by the way, Ari, you can save a pile by shopping used bikes..
check out "craig's list" or ebay on the web, or some of the local
shops sell used (City Bike on Tremont at Berkeley) and Boston Bike(?) <= /DIV>
on Beacon just over the pike towards Brookline....
 
with the online auctions, it's helpful to have someone knowledgeable he= lp you out in
in terms of appropriate size, style, price, and condition...I have had=20= pretty good luck with ebay...
 
 
-------------------------------1089913670-- From adam@bostoncoop.net Thu Jul 15 13:54:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: by bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 01D5713365; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:54:01 -0400 From: Adam Rosi-Kessel To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org Message-ID: <20040715175401.GB26593@bostoncoop.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040523i Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] Autoresponders X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:54:02 -0000 I understand there are a bunch of autoresponders on this list that reply every time someone posts. I am going to disable anyone who does this. This message is a test to see what autoresponses I get. -- Adam Rosi-Kessel http://adam.rosi-kessel.org From TSmith4918@aol.com Thu Jul 15 13:58:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09221334E for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TSmith4918@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id a.d8.f4aa908 (3858) for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:58:19 -0400 (EDT) From: TSmith4918@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:58:18 EDT Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Autoresponders To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1089914298" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5112 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:58:31 -0000 -------------------------------1089914298 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit george bush is an idiot, george bush is an idiot, george bush is an idiot... whoops, sorry, my auto responder was on... thanks, adam, for handling this.. Tim -------------------------------1089914298 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
george bush is an idiot, george bush is an idiot, george bush is an idi= ot...
whoops, sorry, my auto responder was on...
thanks, adam, for handling this..
 
Tim
-------------------------------1089914298-- From ajp@aripollak.com Thu Jul 15 14:00:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.alienhosting.com (discovery.alienhosting.com [216.12.200.63]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 091F91334E for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 31064 invoked by uid 531); 15 Jul 2004 14:00:25 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO secure.alienhosting.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Jul 2004 14:00:25 -0400 Received: from discovery.alienhosting.com ([216.12.200.63]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user ajp@ebnj.net); by secure.alienhosting.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <50437.216.12.200.63.1089914425.squirrel@216.12.200.63> In-Reply-To: <1e4.2521c2cf.2e281d46@aol.com> References: <1e4.2521c2cf.2e281d46@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [*BCM*] bike questions From: "Ari Pollak" To: "Boston Critical Mass" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:00:36 -0000 > by the way, Ari, you can save a pile by shopping used bikes.. > check out "craig's list" or ebay on the web, or some of the local > shops sell used (City Bike on Tremont at Berkeley) and Boston Bike(?) > on Beacon just over the pike towards Brookline.... Yeah, I looked at craigslist, but I guess I'm just really picky since I hadn't found anything I was particularly interested in. I figure if I'm spending so much money on a bike, I might as well not take chances with it having been abused. And unfortunately, the hybrid bikes I'm looking at now which are basically road bikes with flat handlebars (I used to have a mountain bike with front shocks and hybrid tires before it got stolen) seem to have only been introduced within the last few years. From trevay@rcn.com Thu Jul 15 14:04:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from harris.anonymizer.com (mail.cyberpass.net [168.143.113.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098F1133BE for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bosrevay (cyberpass.net [168.143.113.101]) by harris.anonymizer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF8C68414C for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <200407151403230390.0A44F389@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20040715173417.GA3472@sheepskin.cs.indiana.edu> References: <49682.216.12.200.63.1089911538.squirrel@216.12.200.63> <20040715173417.GA3472@sheepskin.cs.indiana.edu> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:03:23 -0400 From: "Tom Revay" To: "Boston Critical Mass" Subject: Re: [*BCM*] bike questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:28:03 -0400 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:04:16 -0000 >> - Why do some bikes come with a chainring guard and some don't? Could >> something as simple as that really affect performance or weight? Do you mean a chain-RING guard, or chain guard? A chainring guard is a round piece of metal that is on the outside of the= chainring. It keeps the chain from falling off if it's overshifted to the= outside (a situation that can be remedied by a simple adjustment to the= front derailer). Mountain bikes have also had these devices attached to= keep the chainring from being damaged by a log or a rock ridden over and= scraped. The Specialized Rock Ring is an example of one of these= products. Here's a picture of a chainring with a guard: http://www.rivbike.com/images/QB3.jpg That bike, by the way, is the Rivendell Quickbeam, which has a two cogs on= the rear hub, one on each side in a flip-flop arrangement, and two= chainrings in front. The bike has no gear-changing devices, though. If= you want to change gears, you can either remove the rear wheel and flip= it, or you can use your fingers to pull the chain onto a different front= chainring. That process is illustrated at http://www.rivbike.com/html/101_quickbeam.html Chainguards are something different. These wrap around the chain along= it's upward (forward) path, and partly or fully around the chainrings.= This bike has one: http://www.kogausa.com/StreetLiner(M)specs.htm If your bike has a front derailer, it'd be difficult, although not= impossible to put a changuard on it. That Koga-Miyata, in particular, is= spec'd at 24 speeds, which ordinarily implies that it has three chainrings= in front, and an 8-cog cassette on the rear hub. That they managed to put= a full chainguard on such a bike is nifty, IMO. Chainguards keep your trousers from contacting the chain. They also help= keep the chain a little cleaner, though I think a full-sized front fender= would do nearly as well. ...................................Tom From kalamity13@yahoo.com Thu Jul 15 14:18:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from web50608.mail.yahoo.com (web50608.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.95]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 239E01334E for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20040715181759.95097.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.171.51.6] by web50608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:17:59 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:17:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "a.k." Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Autoresponders To: Boston Critical Mass In-Reply-To: <20040715175401.GB26593@bostoncoop.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:18:02 -0000 since the switch, i'm not getting the digest version anymore- is that still available? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From adam@bostoncoop.net Thu Jul 15 14:30:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from bostoncoop.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7521334E for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 129.10.105.83 (SquirrelMail authenticated user adam); by www.bostoncoop.net with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1893.129.10.105.83.1089916249.squirrel@129.10.105.83> In-Reply-To: <20040715181759.95097.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040715175401.GB26593@bostoncoop.net> <20040715181759.95097.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Autoresponders From: adam@bostoncoop.net To: "Boston Critical Mass" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:35:01 -0400 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:30:49 -0000 > since the switch, i'm not getting the digest > version anymore- is that still available? Sure, you can set digest mode and other configuration options at the bottom of the list page: http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list (at the bottom of each email) -- Adam Rosi-Kessel http://adam.rosi-kessel.org From ajp@aripollak.com Thu Jul 15 14:38:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.alienhosting.com (discovery.alienhosting.com [216.12.200.63]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9155A133C5 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4925 invoked by uid 531); 15 Jul 2004 14:38:50 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO secure.alienhosting.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Jul 2004 14:38:50 -0400 Received: from discovery.alienhosting.com ([216.12.200.63]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user ajp@ebnj.net); by secure.alienhosting.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <51065.216.12.200.63.1089916730.squirrel@216.12.200.63> In-Reply-To: <200407151403230390.0A44F389@localhost> References: <49682.216.12.200.63.1089911538.squirrel@216.12.200.63> <20040715173417.GA3472@sheepskin.cs.indiana.edu> <200407151403230390.0A44F389@localhost> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [*BCM*] bike questions From: "Ari Pollak" To: "Boston Critical Mass" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:38:52 -0000 A chainring guard. I had one on my old mountain/hybrid bike and it did a great job of keeping my pants and/or shoelaces out of the chain/teeth without having to wear velcro ankle straps if I didn't feel like it. An entire chainguard seems like overkill. I don't mean something as heavy duty as to prevent teeth from wearing down on rocks though, just something flimsy to keep stuff out of the chainring. This hybrid has a guard: http://www.trekbikes.com/images/bikes/2004/citybike/large/7200fxe.jpg (I should note that bike isn't actually listed on Trek's main site yet, but International Bike carries it) But most of the more aggressive Trek and Specialized hybrid models do not. Tom Revay said: > Do you mean a chain-RING guard, or chain guard? > > A chainring guard is a round piece of metal that is on the outside of the > chainring. It keeps the chain from falling off if it's overshifted to the > outside (a situation that can be remedied by a simple adjustment to the > front derailer). Mountain bikes have also had these devices attached to > keep the chainring from being damaged by a log or a rock ridden over and > scraped. The Specialized Rock Ring is an example of one of these > products. > > Here's a picture of a chainring with a guard: > http://www.rivbike.com/images/QB3.jpg > > That bike, by the way, is the Rivendell Quickbeam, which has a two cogs on > the rear hub, one on each side in a flip-flop arrangement, and two > chainrings in front. The bike has no gear-changing devices, though. If > you want to change gears, you can either remove the rear wheel and flip > it, or you can use your fingers to pull the chain onto a different front > chainring. That process is illustrated at > http://www.rivbike.com/html/101_quickbeam.html > > Chainguards are something different. These wrap around the chain along > it's upward (forward) path, and partly or fully around the chainrings. > This bike has one: > > http://www.kogausa.com/StreetLiner(M)specs.htm > > If your bike has a front derailer, it'd be difficult, although not > impossible to put a changuard on it. That Koga-Miyata, in particular, is > spec'd at 24 speeds, which ordinarily implies that it has three chainrings > in front, and an 8-cog cassette on the rear hub. That they managed to put > a full chainguard on such a bike is nifty, IMO. > > Chainguards keep your trousers from contacting the chain. They also help > keep the chain a little cleaner, though I think a full-sized front fender > would do nearly as well. > > ...................................Tom > > _______________________________________________ > Boston Critical Mass mailing list > list@bostoncriticalmass.org > http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list > -- ___ ___ / _ | / _ \ Ari Pollak - ari@aripollak.com - www.aripollak.com / __ |/ ___/ /_/ |_/_/ From list@moz.geek.nz Thu Jul 15 22:05:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from mail022.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail022.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.100]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85D91334E for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FRED-SMITH (c211-30-222-236.rivrw4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.30.222.236]) (authenticated) by mail022.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i6G25nk06819 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:05:49 +1000 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:05:43 +1000 From: Moz X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <236364874.20040716120543@moz.geek.nz> To: Boston Critical Mass Subject: Re: [*BCM*] bike questions In-Reply-To: <49682.216.12.200.63.1089911538.squirrel@216.12.200.63> References: <49682.216.12.200.63.1089911538.squirrel@216.12.200.63> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Moz , Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:05:55 -0000 Ari said: > - Why do some people prefer stiff forks instead of front shocks if they > come out to the same price? Because suspension forks do actually cost more, so the manufacturer shaves money on the rest of the bike to meet the price point. If you look closely you'll find that the cheap, crappy suspension fork actually means you also get cheap, crappy components somewhere else on the bike too. It depends very much on how much you ride and what sort of riding you do. For someone like me who's riding 60-100 miles/week and carrying a load on the bike pretty much all the time, all that "cheap, crappy" translates to "throw the bike away after a year". Which gets to be pretty darn annoying after a while - the last few months are unpleasant as the bike slowly stops working, the first few months are ok but I'm still tweaking the bike to make it work right for me. So I spent nearly $2000 on my last bike to get a decent frame with decent components (Shimano 8 speed hub gears, Old Man Mountain racks, and so on). But if you don't ride that much, or haven't yet, a cheap bike is a good idea - try to get something that fits you and that you can afford to throw away after a year. That way in a years time when you have a much better idea of how much you'll ride and what exactly you want the bike to do, you'll also know of a decent bike shop that you can go to and get the bike you actually want. Or by then you'll realise that you don't actually ride that much so the bike you have is fine. -- Moz Save homo ped plumbium - they're driving themselves to extinction. From list@moz.geek.nz Thu Jul 15 22:09:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from mail018.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail018.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.72]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7ABC1334E for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FRED-SMITH (c211-30-222-236.rivrw4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.30.222.236]) (authenticated) by mail018.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i6G29SD24321 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:09:28 +1000 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:09:23 +1000 From: Moz X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <127636921.20040716120923@moz.geek.nz> To: Boston Critical Mass Subject: Re: [*BCM*] bike questions In-Reply-To: <200407151403230390.0A44F389@localhost> References: <49682.216.12.200.63.1089911538.squirrel@216.12.200.63> <20040715173417.GA3472@sheepskin.cs.indiana.edu> <200407151403230390.0A44F389@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Moz , Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:09:32 -0000 Tom said: > Chainguards are something different. These wrap around the chain > along it's upward (forward) path, and partly or fully around the > chainrings. This bike has one: > http://www.kogausa.com/StreetLiner(M)specs.htm I',m used to that being called a half-guard, where a chainguard covers the whole chain. Normally only seen on bikes with hub gears, and then really only popular where a lot of time is spent riding in snowy conditions. Although Dutch Roadsters often have one (but then, dutch roadsters have everything you could possibly want, which is why they weigh so much). -- Moz Save homo ped plumbium - they're driving themselves to extinction. From Ken@Kotch.biz Thu Jul 15 22:11:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from out004.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.142]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4BC1334E for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] ([151.199.44.81]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040716021121.ELCM1551.out004.verizon.net@[192.168.2.100]>; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:11:21 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:10:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [*BCM*] bike questions From: "Ken S. Kotch" To: , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <236364874.20040716120543@moz.geek.nz> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [151.199.44.81] at Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:11:21 -0500 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:11:23 -0000 Why are you looking for a mountain bike? It seems to me you will be riding in the city? A road bike or a commuter bike will save you a lot of energy. Ken On 7/15/04 10:05 PM, "Moz" wrote: > Ari said: >> - Why do some people prefer stiff forks instead of front shocks if they >> come out to the same price? > > Because suspension forks do actually cost more, so the manufacturer > shaves money on the rest of the bike to meet the price point. If you > look closely you'll find that the cheap, crappy suspension fork > actually means you also get cheap, crappy components somewhere else on > the bike too. > > It depends very much on how much you ride and what sort of riding you > do. For someone like me who's riding 60-100 miles/week and carrying a > load on the bike pretty much all the time, all that "cheap, crappy" > translates to "throw the bike away after a year". Which gets to be > pretty darn annoying after a while - the last few months are > unpleasant as the bike slowly stops working, the first few months are > ok but I'm still tweaking the bike to make it work right for me. So I > spent nearly $2000 on my last bike to get a decent frame with decent > components (Shimano 8 speed hub gears, Old Man Mountain racks, and so > on). > > But if you don't ride that much, or haven't yet, a cheap bike is a > good idea - try to get something that fits you and that you can afford > to throw away after a year. That way in a years time when you have a > much better idea of how much you'll ride and what exactly you want > the bike to do, you'll also know of a decent bike shop that you can go > to and get the bike you actually want. Or by then you'll realise that > you don't actually ride that much so the bike you have is fine. From list@moz.geek.nz Thu Jul 15 22:32:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from mail024.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail024.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.242]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1CE21334E for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FRED-SMITH (c211-30-222-236.rivrw4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.30.222.236]) (authenticated) by mail024.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i6G2WaL17366 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:32:36 +1000 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:32:22 +1000 From: Moz X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <824832177.20040716123222@moz.geek.nz> To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org Subject: Re: [*BCM*] bike questions In-Reply-To: References: <236364874.20040716120543@moz.geek.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Moz , Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:32:40 -0000 Ken said: > Why are you looking for a mountain bike? It seems to me you will be riding > in the city? A road bike or a commuter bike will save you a lot of energy. Or just put slicks on a mountain bike. I like the low standover height and slack geometry of my mountain bike frame, as well as the ability to put decent racks on it (that would require a custom built road/city bike). But that's just my take. -- Moz Save homo ped plumbium - they're driving themselves to extinction. From mharless@wesleyan.edu Mon Jul 19 14:21:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from mail835.megamailservers.com (mail835.carrierinternetsolutions.com [69.49.106.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE0DD133D4 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:20:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authenticated-User: maxharless.covad.net Received: from [192.168.1.105] (h-66-167-172-158.cmbrmaor.dynamic.covad.net [66.167.172.158]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail835.megamailservers.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i6JIKuGP000580 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:20:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: maxharless Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:20:53 -0400 To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org From: Max Harless Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:54:01 -0400 Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] Horrifying editorial in the TAB X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:21:00 -0000 Can someone please respond to this? I have to pack. It appeared in last week's Allston-Brighton TAB (and maybe other TABs as well?) -max http://www2.townonline.com/allston/opinion/view.bg?articleid=40577&format=text Steer clear of two-wheeled treachery By Dave Gradijan Friday, July 16, 2004 Ready or not, it's time for a pop quiz. If you find yourself sitting at the back of a miles-long traffic jam, the cause of the backup is most likely: A) A multi-car accident. B) One of those rare Massachusetts earthquakes that opened up a 22-foot chasm in the roadway, and in the process revealed Whitey Bulger's hideout. C) A band of raucous youth that stole an ice cream truck and finally got nabbed by police, who are waiting for backup officers to get the chilling scene under control. D) Seven bicyclists who are riding along the street, side by side instead of single file, thereby occupying each lane of the heavily traveled road. Certainly answer A is a logical guess, and I could hardly blame you for going with B or C because, hey, weirder things happen every day, like when people cheer for the New York Yankees. But in my own experience, I wouldn't hesitate to go with the final answer, as Regis Philbin would call it, because nary a day passes in this wondrous summer season when I don't see some dude riding a bicycle who doesn't appear to realize that it's unadvisable to play chicken with a FedEx driver who absolutely, positively has to be there overnight. Kudos to anyone who can pedal away for miles on a daily basis, because to me the activity is only a wee bit more enjoyable than jogging, which in my book is almost as silly an idea as putting pineapple on a pizza. Think about it: Have you ever seen a jogger giggling or even breaking a subtle smirk as he huffs and puffs his way into physical oblivion? More likely, he appears as if he is being jabbed in the gut with an ice pick. But I digress. What bicyclists need to realize is that, even without their presence, the roads are already replete with legitimate hazards such as potholes, Whitey Bulger hideouts and drivers who believe the turn signal is supposed to be saved for emergencies. Alas, many fail to understand that it simply isn't safe to use a bicycle to navigate your way along a narrow, winding road that can barely fit two average-sized go-carts. All it takes is one zipperhead with a driver's license to come barreling around the corner at 60 mph, and the cyclist who is occupying a third of the skimpy lane is likely to get himself killed, maimed, or at the very least see his Schwinn Super Sport land in that Great Bicycle Rack in the Sky. Worse still are the biker groups who ride two or more abreast, casting aside those all-important "single file" lessons we were taught in elementary school on our way to the cafeteria to consume our peanut butter and jelly du jour. Even if an accident doesn't result from this neglectful strategy, a lengthy line of frustrated drivers who are unable to pass the cyclists most certainly will. Cars that are capable of going from zero to 60 in 2.7 nanoseconds will instead be progressing so slowly that you'd think they worked in state government. Occasionally I spot a bicyclist actually using the sidewalk, where one is present, to ensure his or her own safety, which I usually respond to by giving that biker dude a thumbs-up or a pumped-fist "Rock On" sign to demonstrate my approval. Most also deserve credit for wearing bright-colored, albeit dorky-looking apparel and being sure to use a helmet, which virtually nobody on a bicycle wore when I was just a little lad. Summer is prime cycling season, to be sure, and no amount of whining on my part is going to deter enthusiasts from taking to the streets, so we drivers have to be all the more aware as we motor our way about town, especially on those narrow roadways where you often can't see beyond the oak tree 8 feet ahead. But the bikers themselves also need to remember that, while the activity can be fun and serve as excellent exercise, it is important not to strap that helmet on so tightly that your brain ceases to exercise common sense as you're pedaling away. If you actually take my advice, well shucks, I might even foot the bill so you can get some cooler-looking clothes. Dave Gradijan can be reached at dgradijan@cnc.com. From TSmith4918@aol.com Mon Jul 19 15:08:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6298C133D4 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TSmith4918@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id a.89.ff35c80 (1320) for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:08:45 -0400 (EDT) From: TSmith4918@aol.com Message-ID: <89.ff35c80.2e2d763d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:08:45 EDT Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Horrifying editorial in the TAB To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1090264125" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5112 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:08:52 -0000 -------------------------------1090264125 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks for sending, max....it really is a stupid article/column/editorial. hard to figure what the guy's point is other than to demonstrate how much of a moron he is. next time he steps off the curb, I say seven of us, riding abreast, take him out... -------------------------------1090264125 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
thanks for sending, max....it really is a stupid article/column/editori= al.
hard to figure what the guy's point is other than to demonstrate how mu= ch of a moron he is.
 
next time he steps off the curb, I say seven of us, riding abreast, tak= e him out...
-------------------------------1090264125-- From lfpeters@eltonhamptonarchitects.com Mon Jul 19 15:20:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from eltonhamptonarchitects.com (capehatteras.lhhost.com [63.87.227.162]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DAD7133E3 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PETERS [141.154.37.77] by eltonhamptonarchitects.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.12) id A0C892500FC; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:28:08 -0400 From: "Lee Peters" To: "'Boston Critical Mass'" Subject: RE: [*BCM*] Horrifying editorial in the TAB Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:21:55 -0400 Message-ID: <002801c46dc5$a72c4de0$6c02a8c0@PETERS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C46DA4.201AADE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <89.ff35c80.2e2d763d@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-mxGuard-Info: Processed by capehatteras.lhhost.com using mxGuard v1.4.0 X-mxGuard-Spool-ID: 20c7092500fc6916 X-mxGuard-Auth-Sender: lfpeters@eltonhamptonarchitects@eltonhamptonarchitects.com X-mxGuard-Spam-Score: 0 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:20:08 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C46DA4.201AADE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yea, PJ O'Rourke did one of these anti-bike articles about 12 years ago, except it was funny. This is straight-up illegal according to the manual. What an idiot. "Occasionally I spot a bicyclist actually using the sidewalk, where one is present, to ensure his or her own safety, which I usually respond to by giving that biker dude a thumbs-up or a pumped-fist "Rock On" sign to demonstrate my approval." -----Original Message----- From: bostoncriticalmass-bounces@bostoncriticalmass.org [mailto:bostoncriticalmass-bounces@bostoncriticalmass.org] On Behalf Of TSmith4918@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 3:09 PM To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Horrifying editorial in the TAB thanks for sending, max....it really is a stupid article/column/editorial. hard to figure what the guy's point is other than to demonstrate how much of a moron he is. next time he steps off the curb, I say seven of us, riding abreast, take him out... ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C46DA4.201AADE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

Yea, PJ O’Rourke did one of = these anti-bike articles about 12 years ago, except it was funny.

 

 

This is straight-up illegal = according to the manual.  What an idiot.

 

“Occasionally I spot a bicyclist actually using = the sidewalk, where one is present, to ensure his or her own safety, which I usually respond to by giving that biker dude a thumbs-up or a = pumped-fist "Rock On" sign to demonstrate my = approval.”

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: bostoncriticalmass-bounces@bostoncriticalmass.org [mailto:bostoncriticalmass-bounces@bostoncriticalmass.org] On Behalf Of = TSmith4918@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 19, = 2004 3:09 PM
To: = list@bostoncriticalmass.org
Subject: Re: [*BCM*] = Horrifying editorial in the TAB

 

thanks for sending, = max....it really is a stupid article/column/editorial.

hard to figure what the = guy's point is other than to demonstrate how much of a moron he = is.

 

next time he steps off the = curb, I say seven of us, riding abreast, take him out...

------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C46DA4.201AADE0-- From TSmith4918@aol.com Mon Jul 19 15:36:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56A3133EB for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TSmith4918@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 4.66.430da1e6 (1320); Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:36:13 -0400 (EDT) From: TSmith4918@aol.com Message-ID: <66.430da1e6.2e2d7cac@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:36:12 EDT To: dgradijan@cnc.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1090265772" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5112 Cc: list@bostoncriticalmass.org Subject: [*BCM*] TAB Cycling Editorial X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:36:18 -0000 -------------------------------1090265772 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave, someone forwarded this "editorial" to me... hard to believe the TAB even printed this... I am not sure I have ever read a more insipid attack on/defense of cyclists before...what was the point of the article: that we should watch out for bikes? that cyclists deserve abuse by motorists and if they get killed, well, they asked for it? do you know that it is illegal to ride bicycles on the sidewalks in Massachsuetts? of course you don't. and your article indicated no recollection of the law that requires cars and bikes to share the road even if impedes speeding traffic. Rather than look at the bigger picture of cyclist safety and why people cycle beyond the "fun of it", you wrote a very lazy article that offends the serious cyclist and irresponsibly makes light of serious safety issues. If you want to be provocative and write something interesting, do some homework. Cycling is a form of transport that precedes the invention and use of motorized vehicles, is used by many thousands of commuters worldwide each day, has no detrimental effects on air quality, has very positive effects on physical conditioning, reduces our dependence on unsustainable sources of energy (oil). Better yet, before one writes about something one knows nothing about, he/she should try to experience it first hand..in this case, maybe it is asking too much, all that huffing and puffing, you know. next time you see bikers on the road, remember this: they have every right to the road as you do. I have found that bikers are much more skilled in accommodating drivers than vice-versa, despite being as outnumbered as we are. And do us all a favor, spare your readers misinformation until you've researched your subject more responsibly. Sincerely, Tim Smith Brookline Bike Commuter since 1973 -------------------------------1090265772 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dave,
someone forwarded this "editorial" to me...=20
hard to believe the TAB even printed this...
 
I am not sure I have ever read a more insipid attack on/defense of cycl= ists before...what was the point of the article:  that we should watch=20= out for bikes?  that cyclists deserve abuse by motorists and if they ge= t killed, well, they asked for it? do you know that it is illegal to ride bi= cycles on the sidewalks in Massachsuetts? of course you don't.   a= nd your article indicated no recollection of the law that requires cars and=20= bikes to share the road even if impedes speeding traffic.  Rather than=20= look at the bigger picture of cyclist safety and why people cycle beyond the= "fun of it", you wrote a very lazy article that offends the serious cyclist= and irresponsibly makes light of serious safety issues.
 
If you want to be provocative and write something interesting, do some=20= homework.  Cycling is a form of transport that precedes the invention a= nd use of motorized vehicles, is used by many thousands of commuters worldwi= de each day, has no detrimental effects on air quality, has very positive ef= fects on physical conditioning, reduces our dependence on unsustainable = ;sources of energy (oil).   Better yet, before one writes abo= ut something one knows nothing about, he/she should try to experience i= t first hand..in this case, maybe it is asking too much, all that huffi= ng and puffing, you know.
 
next time you see bikers on the road, remember this: they have every ri= ght to the road as you do.  I have found that bikers are much more skil= led  in accommodating drivers than vice-versa, despite being as outnumb= ered as we are.  And do us all a favor, spare your readers misinformati= on until you've researched your subject more responsibly.
 
Sincerely,
 
Tim Smith
Brookline
Bike Commuter since 1973
-------------------------------1090265772-- From rawillis3@juno.com Mon Jul 19 15:51:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from m09.lax.untd.com (m09.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.72]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E1A8133F0 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:51:42 -0400 (EDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: 37IoItTkUnDYkYSV4t94wCpkj2n4mAhMxIPlMdxoJ535+b7x7SQPCg== Received: (from rawillis3@juno.com) by m09.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J2W6EJYX; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:51:39 PDT To: dgradijan@cnc.com Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:45:33 -0500 Message-ID: <20040719.144535.-212061.21.rawillis3@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,6-7,9-10,16-17,26-27,31-32,38-39,43-47 From: russell a willis iii Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] two-wheels X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:51:43 -0000 Dave (if I may call you Dave), or Mr. Gradijan, I am not a resident of anything remotely resembling the Boston area, but the attitude you project in your recent piece for the Allston-Brighton TAB is unfortunately prevalent throughout the known universe, including St. Louis, Missouri, where it is my misfortune to reside, and to use a bicycle for transportation. There are a couple of points in your piece that absolutely require comment. First, it is generally not legal for anyone over the age of, say, twelve, to ride a bicycle on a sidewalk, except in a strictly residential area. Actually, it is more dangerous to ride on the sidewalk than on the street, because at intersections (and at driveways and alleyways), you need to interact with automobiles, and because you are not already on the street they do not see you. Second, it is generally okay for cyclists to ride abreast unless to do so has the actual effect of obstructing automobile traffic. This would not apply, for example, where there is a second lane going the same direction. On a related point, because the outer lane is often not really wide enough to be safely shared by a bicycle and an automobile, it is sometimes the better part of valor (discretion, for those of you are not paying attention) for two (or more) cyclists to ride abreast, or something resembling abreast, in order to enforce on trailing motorists the understanding that they should use the farther left lane. Third, if your argument that it is "unsafe" to bike on certain roads depends entirely on the premise that some motorists will be exceeding posted limits, or driving too fast for conditions ("winding roads"), then your argument is trash. Fourth (or perhaps first, since you seem to believe that all bicycling is somehow recreational, and not transportational), bicycling is a completely sensible form of transportation for most purposes, certainly for distances under, say, ten miles in each direction. What sense does it make for a motorist to carry around a ton and a half of empty cargo space for local errands? Or perhaps (as a transportational cyclist who has completely lost his sense of humor over these issues), I am completely missing your point, which is (or might be) that motorists should be more attentive in sharing the road with all users. R. Willis St. Louis, Missouri rawillis3@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From dabbotthammond@comcast.net Mon Jul 19 15:54:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565C1133EE for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hppav (h00e018c6cb30.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.88.80]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004071919542901200fjic2e>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:54:30 +0000 Message-ID: <002501c46dcb$067a8d20$50581f42@ne2.client2.attbi.com> From: "David Hammond" To: "Boston Critical Mass" References: Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Horrifying editorial in the TAB Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:00:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:54:30 -0000 Please, folks, if any of you attempt to respond to this, make your response at least as funny. A parody substituting huge SUV drivers for bicyclists might work. Righteous indignation, though warranted, will just make the cycling community look like humorless, self-absorbed curmudgeons (a.k.a. Lycrazoids), which does nothing to reduce the motorist assault rate (petty and otherwise) against us. Perhaps Gradijan experienced a Critical Mass outing? David Hammond ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Harless" To: Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:20 PM Subject: [*BCM*] Horrifying editorial in the TAB > Can someone please respond to this? I have to pack. It appeared in > last week's Allston-Brighton TAB (and maybe other TABs as well?) > -max > > http://www2.townonline.com/allston/opinion/view.bg?articleid=40577&format=text > > Steer clear of two-wheeled treachery > By Dave Gradijan > Friday, July 16, 2004 > > Ready or not, it's time for a pop quiz. > If you find yourself sitting at the back of a miles-long > traffic jam, the cause of the backup is most likely: > A) A multi-car accident. > B) One of those rare Massachusetts earthquakes that opened up a > 22-foot chasm in the roadway, and in the process revealed Whitey > Bulger's hideout. > C) A band of raucous youth that stole an ice cream truck and > finally got nabbed by police, who are waiting for backup officers to > get the chilling scene under control. > D) Seven bicyclists who are riding along the street, side by > side instead of single file, thereby occupying each lane of the > heavily traveled road. > Certainly answer A is a logical guess, and I could hardly blame > you for going with B or C because, hey, weirder things happen every > day, like when people cheer for the New York Yankees. > But in my own experience, I wouldn't hesitate to go with the > final answer, as Regis Philbin would call it, because nary a day > passes in this wondrous summer season when I don't see some dude > riding a bicycle who doesn't appear to realize that it's unadvisable > to play chicken with a FedEx driver who absolutely, positively has to > be there overnight. > Kudos to anyone who can pedal away for miles on a daily basis, > because to me the activity is only a wee bit more enjoyable than > jogging, which in my book is almost as silly an idea as putting > pineapple on a pizza. Think about it: Have you ever seen a jogger > giggling or even breaking a subtle smirk as he huffs and puffs his > way into physical oblivion? More likely, he appears as if he is being > jabbed in the gut with an ice pick. > But I digress. What bicyclists need to realize is that, even > without their presence, the roads are already replete with legitimate > hazards such as potholes, Whitey Bulger hideouts and drivers who > believe the turn signal is supposed to be saved for emergencies. > Alas, many fail to understand that it simply isn't safe to use a > bicycle to navigate your way along a narrow, winding road that can > barely fit two average-sized go-carts. All it takes is one zipperhead > with a driver's license to come barreling around the corner at 60 > mph, and the cyclist who is occupying a third of the skimpy lane is > likely to get himself killed, maimed, or at the very least see his > Schwinn Super Sport land in that Great Bicycle Rack in the Sky. > Worse still are the biker groups who ride two or more abreast, > casting aside those all-important "single file" lessons we were > taught in elementary school on our way to the cafeteria to consume > our peanut butter and jelly du jour. > Even if an accident doesn't result from this neglectful > strategy, a lengthy line of frustrated drivers who are unable to pass > the cyclists most certainly will. Cars that are capable of going from > zero to 60 in 2.7 nanoseconds will instead be progressing so slowly > that you'd think they worked in state government. > Occasionally I spot a bicyclist actually using the sidewalk, > where one is present, to ensure his or her own safety, which I > usually respond to by giving that biker dude a thumbs-up or a > pumped-fist "Rock On" sign to demonstrate my approval. Most also > deserve credit for wearing bright-colored, albeit dorky-looking > apparel and being sure to use a helmet, which virtually nobody on a > bicycle wore when I was just a little lad. > Summer is prime cycling season, to be sure, and no amount of > whining on my part is going to deter enthusiasts from taking to the > streets, so we drivers have to be all the more aware as we motor our > way about town, especially on those narrow roadways where you often > can't see beyond the oak tree 8 feet ahead. > But the bikers themselves also need to remember that, while the > activity can be fun and serve as excellent exercise, it is important > not to strap that helmet on so tightly that your brain ceases to > exercise common sense as you're pedaling away. > If you actually take my advice, well shucks, I might even foot > the bill so you can get some cooler-looking clothes. > Dave Gradijan can be reached at dgradijan@cnc.com. > _______________________________________________ > Boston Critical Mass mailing list > list@bostoncriticalmass.org > http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list From TSmith4918@aol.com Mon Jul 19 16:05:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9872D133F9 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TSmith4918@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id a.98.fefec74 (1320) for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:05:16 -0400 (EDT) From: TSmith4918@aol.com Message-ID: <98.fefec74.2e2d837c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:05:16 EDT Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Horrifying editorial in the TAB To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1090267516" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5112 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:05:22 -0000 -------------------------------1090267516 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/19/2004 3:54:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, dabbotthammond@comcast.net writes: Righteous indignation, though warranted, will just make the cycling community look like humorless, self-absorbed curmudgeons (a.k.a. Lycrazoids), which does nothing to reduce the motorist assault rate (petty and otherwise) against us dang, and all this time I thought the assault rate was due to road rage and bad drivers...it never occurred to me (until now) that it was my curmudgeonly attitude that attracted bumpers to me ass...now i see the light! actually, DHammond raises a good point...shouldn't be too hard to write something at least half as funny as the TAB editorial. and sorry, folks, for the humorless self-absorbed tirade I sent back to the jerk...I will let him know immediately that I was speaking for myself and most bikers enjoy a good joke about being sent to the bike rack in the sky! after all it crosses our minds every time we get on the dang things... Tim -------------------------------1090267516 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 7/19/2004 3:54:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, dabbotth= ammond@comcast.net writes:
Righteous indignation, though warranted, will=20= just make the cycling
community look like humorless, self-absorbed curmud= geons (a.k.a.
Lycrazoids), which does nothing to reduce the motorist assa= ult rate (petty
and otherwise) against us
dang, and all this time I thought the assault rate was due to road= rage and bad drivers...it never occurred to me (until now) that it was= my curmudgeonly attitude that attracted bumpers to me ass...now i see the l= ight!  actually, DHammond raises a good point...shouldn't be too hard t= o write something at least half as funny as the TAB editorial.
 
and sorry, folks, for the humorless self-absorbed tirade I sent back to= the jerk...I will let him know immediately that I was speaking for mys= elf and most bikers enjoy a good joke about being sent to the bike rack= in the sky! after all it crosses our minds every time we get on the dang th= ings...
 
Tim
-------------------------------1090267516-- From TSmith4918@aol.com Mon Jul 19 16:08:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E9C13401 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TSmith4918@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id a.159.3a3d0afc (1320) for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:08:10 -0400 (EDT) From: TSmith4918@aol.com Message-ID: <159.3a3d0afc.2e2d8429@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:08:09 EDT Subject: Re: [*BCM*] two-wheels To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1090267689" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5112 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:08:13 -0000 -------------------------------1090267689 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sheesh, another one of these humorless responses...(a good one, by the way!) Dave (if I may call you Dave), or Mr. Gradijan, I am not a resident of anything remotely resembling the Boston area, but the attitude you project in your recent piece for the Allston-Brighton TAB is unfortunately prevalent throughout the known universe, including St. Louis, Missouri, where it is my misfortune to reside, and to use a bicycle for transportation. There are a couple of points in your piece that absolutely require comment. First, it is generally not legal for anyone over the age of, say, twelve, to ride a bicycle on a sidewalk, except in a strictly residential area. Actually, it is more dangerous to ride on the sidewalk than on the street, because at intersections (and at driveways and alleyways), you need to interact with automobiles, and because you are not already on the street they do not see you. Second, it is generally okay for cyclists to ride abreast unless to do so has the actual effect of obstructing automobile traffic. This would not apply, for example, where there is a second lane going the same direction. On a related point, because the outer lane is often not really wide enough to be safely shared by a bicycle and an automobile, it is sometimes the better part of valor (discretion, for those of you are not paying attention) for two (or more) cyclists to ride abreast, or something resembling abreast, in order to enforce on trailing motorists the understanding that they should use the farther left lane. Third, if your argument that it is "unsafe" to bike on certain roads depends entirely on the premise that some motorists will be exceeding posted limits, or driving too fast for conditions ("winding roads"), then your argument is trash. Fourth (or perhaps first, since you seem to believe that all bicycling is somehow recreational, and not transportational), bicycling is a completely sensible form of transportation for most purposes, certainly for distances under, say, ten miles in each direction. What sense does it make for a motorist to carry around a ton and a half of empty cargo space for local errands? Or perhaps (as a transportational cyclist who has completely lost his sense of humor over these issues), I am completely missing your point, which is (or might be) that motorists should be more attentive in sharing the road with all users. R. Willis St. Louis, Missouri rawillis3@juno.com -------------------------------1090267689 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
sheesh, another one of these humorle= ss responses...(a good one, by the way!)
 
Dave (if I may call you Dave), or Mr. Gradijan,
<= BR>I am not a resident of anything remotely resembling the Boston area, but<= BR>the attitude you project in your recent piece for the Allston-BrightonTAB is unfortunately prevalent throughout the known universe, including
= St. Louis, Missouri, where it is my misfortune to reside, and to use a
bi= cycle for transportation.

There are a couple of points in your piece=20= that absolutely require
comment.

First, it is generally not legal=20= for anyone over the age of, say, twelve,
to ride a bicycle on a sidewalk,= except in a strictly residential area.
Actually, it is more dangerous t= o ride on the sidewalk than on the
street, because at intersections (and=20= at driveways and alleyways), you
need to interact with automobiles, and b= ecause you are not already on the
street they do not see you.

Seco= nd, it is generally okay for cyclists to ride abreast unless to do so
has= the actual effect of obstructing automobile traffic.  This would notapply, for example, where there is a second lane going the same
directi= on.  On a related point, because the outer lane is often not
really=20= wide enough to be safely shared by a bicycle and an automobile, it
is som= etimes the better part of valor (discretion, for those of you are
not pay= ing attention) for two (or more) cyclists to ride abreast, or
something r= esembling abreast, in order to enforce on trailing motorists
the understa= nding that they should use the farther left lane.

Third, if your argu= ment that it is "unsafe" to bike on certain roads
depends entirely on the= premise that some motorists will be exceeding
posted limits, or driving=20= too fast for conditions ("winding roads"), then
your argument is trash.
Fourth (or perhaps first, since you seem to believe that all bicycling= is
somehow recreational, and not transportational), bicycling is a
co= mpletely sensible form of transportation for most purposes, certainly
for= distances under, say, ten miles in each direction.  What sense doesit make for a motorist to carry around a ton and a half of empty cargo
s= pace for local errands?

Or perhaps (as a transportational cyclist who= has completely lost his
sense of humor over these issues), I am complete= ly missing your point,
which is (or might be) that motorists should be mo= re attentive in sharing
the road with all users.


R. Willis
= St. Louis, Missouri
rawillis3@juno.com
-------------------------------1090267689-- From TSmith4918@aol.com Mon Jul 19 16:12:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DFE133F8 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TSmith4918@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id a.1d4.25f0b481 (1320) for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:11:55 -0400 (EDT) From: TSmith4918@aol.com Message-ID: <1d4.25f0b481.2e2d850b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:11:55 EDT Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Horrifying editorial in the TAB To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1090267914" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5112 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:12:01 -0000 -------------------------------1090267914 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/19/2004 3:54:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, dabbotthammond@comcast.net writes: Perhaps Gradijan experienced a Critical Mass outing? nah, sounds like Dave never has touched a bike or if he did, it was probably only for fun as congratulated himself for riding on the sidewalk -------------------------------1090267914 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 7/19/2004 3:54:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, dabbotth= ammond@comcast.net writes:
Perhaps Gradijan experienced a Critical Mass o= uting?
nah, sounds like Dave never has touched a bike or if he did, it was pro= bably only for fun as congratulated himself for riding on the sidewalk<= /DIV> -------------------------------1090267914-- From eightmind@yahoo.com Mon Jul 19 16:46:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from web51709.mail.yahoo.com (web51709.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.227]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AA3B4133F8 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20040719204628.21647.qmail@web51709.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [134.174.110.5] by web51709.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:46:28 PDT Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:46:28 -0700 (PDT) From: David Goligorsky To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] TAB article X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: dago@bu.edu, Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 20:46:29 -0000 my contribution: --- I have a few comments on your article. Drivers and cyclists alike know how poorly planned Boston roads are. It's for this reason that cycling has become such a viable means of transportation. Bikers avoid gas, insurance, parking, and expensive repair while reaching their destination in a competetive amount of time. There are indeed faults with cyclists, like the ones you mention who ride abreast, but there are innumerable drivers whose licences should have been revoked and cause much more damage than any cyclist could. Seeing cyclists on sidewalks makes me wince. Bikes are much more dangerous where pedestrians are walking every which way and not looking out for non-pedestrian traffic. The answer isn't putting cyclists in bright jerseys- it's taking the initiative to put in bicycle lanes. These are available in Cambridge and sucessfully allow safe passage for bicycles without interfering with automotive traffic. If cyclists slowing down traffic is a growing issue for you, you should pursue it by contacting local authorities on transportation. Bikes in Boston will never disappear, but we would all be happy with bike lanes. Best, David __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From goannego@yahoo.com Mon Jul 19 17:07:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from web51508.mail.yahoo.com (web51508.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.200]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A0139133E3 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20040719210732.78391.qmail@web51508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.103.210.2] by web51508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:07:32 PDT Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:07:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Anne Wolfe Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Horrifying editorial in the TAB To: Boston Critical Mass In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1925978784-1090271252=:78166" Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: goannego@yahoo.com, Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:07:33 -0000 --0-1925978784-1090271252=:78166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, so the guy's entire logic (after his "I hate cycling/fitness/pineapple on pizza" weirdness) is that cyclists deserve to get hit by lunatic drivers because he's an unfit, car driving slobbo? Max, honey, April fool is in April........ ;) Max Harless wrote: Can someone please respond to this? I have to pack. It appeared in last week's Allston-Brighton TAB (and maybe other TABs as well?) -max http://www2.townonline.com/allston/opinion/view.bg?articleid=40577&format=text Steer clear of two-wheeled treachery By Dave Gradijan Friday, July 16, 2004 Ready or not, it's time for a pop quiz. If you find yourself sitting at the back of a miles-long traffic jam, the cause of the backup is most likely: A) A multi-car accident. B) One of those rare Massachusetts earthquakes that opened up a 22-foot chasm in the roadway, and in the process revealed Whitey Bulger's hideout. C) A band of raucous youth that stole an ice cream truck and finally got nabbed by police, who are waiting for backup officers to get the chilling scene under control. D) Seven bicyclists who are riding along the street, side by side instead of single file, thereby occupying each lane of the heavily traveled road. Certainly answer A is a logical guess, and I could hardly blame you for going with B or C because, hey, weirder things happen every day, like when people cheer for the New York Yankees. But in my own experience, I wouldn't hesitate to go with the final answer, as Regis Philbin would call it, because nary a day passes in this wondrous summer season when I don't see some dude riding a bicycle who doesn't appear to realize that it's unadvisable to play chicken with a FedEx driver who absolutely, positively has to be there overnight. Kudos to anyone who can pedal away for miles on a daily basis, because to me the activity is only a wee bit more enjoyable than jogging, which in my book is almost as silly an idea as putting pineapple on a pizza. Think about it: Have you ever seen a jogger giggling or even breaking a subtle smirk as he huffs and puffs his way into physical oblivion? More likely, he appears as if he is being jabbed in the gut with an ice pick. But I digress. What bicyclists need to realize is that, even without their presence, the roads are already replete with legitimate hazards such as potholes, Whitey Bulger hideouts and drivers who believe the turn signal is supposed to be saved for emergencies. Alas, many fail to understand that it simply isn't safe to use a bicycle to navigate your way along a narrow, winding road that can barely fit two average-sized go-carts. All it takes is one zipperhead with a driver's license to come barreling around the corner at 60 mph, and the cyclist who is occupying a third of the skimpy lane is likely to get himself killed, maimed, or at the very least see his Schwinn Super Sport land in that Great Bicycle Rack in the Sky. Worse still are the biker groups who ride two or more abreast, casting aside those all-important "single file" lessons we were taught in elementary school on our way to the cafeteria to consume our peanut butter and jelly du jour. Even if an accident doesn't result from this neglectful strategy, a lengthy line of frustrated drivers who are unable to pass the cyclists most certainly will. Cars that are capable of going from zero to 60 in 2.7 nanoseconds will instead be progressing so slowly that you'd think they worked in state government. Occasionally I spot a bicyclist actually using the sidewalk, where one is present, to ensure his or her own safety, which I usually respond to by giving that biker dude a thumbs-up or a pumped-fist "Rock On" sign to demonstrate my approval. Most also deserve credit for wearing bright-colored, albeit dorky-looking apparel and being sure to use a helmet, which virtually nobody on a bicycle wore when I was just a little lad. Summer is prime cycling season, to be sure, and no amount of whining on my part is going to deter enthusiasts from taking to the streets, so we drivers have to be all the more aware as we motor our way about town, especially on those narrow roadways where you often can't see beyond the oak tree 8 feet ahead. But the bikers themselves also need to remember that, while the activity can be fun and serve as excellent exercise, it is important not to strap that helmet on so tightly that your brain ceases to exercise common sense as you're pedaling away. If you actually take my advice, well shucks, I might even foot the bill so you can get some cooler-looking clothes. Dave Gradijan can be reached at dgradijan@cnc.com. _______________________________________________ Boston Critical Mass mailing list list@bostoncriticalmass.org http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list "If Beethoven had been killed in a plane crash at the age of 22, it would have changed the history of music...and of aviation." --Tom Stoppard --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! --0-1925978784-1090271252=:78166 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Ok, so the guy's entire logic (after his "I hate cycling/fitness/pineapple on pizza" weirdness) is that cyclists deserve to get hit by lunatic drivers because he's an unfit, car driving slobbo?
 
Max, honey, April fool is in April........ ;)

Max Harless <mharless@wesleyan.edu> wrote:
Can someone please respond to this? I have to pack. It appeared in
last week's Allston-Brighton TAB (and maybe other TABs as well?)
-max

http://www2.townonline.com/allston/opinion/view.bg?articleid=40577&format=text

Steer clear of two-wheeled treachery
By Dave Gradijan
Friday, July 16, 2004

Ready or not, it's time for a pop quiz.
If you find yourself sitting at the back of a miles-long
traffic jam, the cause of the backup is most likely:
A) A multi-car accident.
B) One of those rare Massachusetts earthquakes that opened up a
22-foot chasm in the roadway, and in the process revealed Whitey
Bulger's hideout.
C) A band of raucous youth that stole an ice cream truck and
finally got nabbed by police, who are waiting for backup officers to
get the chilling scene under control.
D) Seven bicyclists who are riding along the street, side by
side instead of single file, thereby occupying each lane of the
heavily traveled road.
Certainly answer A is a logical guess, and I could hardly blame
you for going with B or C because, hey, weirder things happen every
day, like when people cheer for the New York Yankees.
But in my own experience, I wouldn't hesitate to go with the
final answer, as Regis Philbin would call it, because nary a day
passes in this wondrous summer season when I don't see some dude
riding a bicycle who doesn't appear to realize that it's unadvisable
to play chicken with a FedEx driver who absolutely, positively has to
be there overnight.
Kudos to anyone who can pedal away for miles on a daily basis,
because to me the activity is only a wee bit more enjoyable than
jogging, which in my book is almost as silly an idea as putting
pineapple on a pizza. Think about it: Have you ever seen a jogger
giggling or even breaking a subtle smirk as he huffs and puffs his
way into physical oblivion? More likely, he appears as if he is being
jabbed in the gut with an ice pick.
But I digress. What bicyclists need to realize is that, even
without their presence, the roads are already replete with legitimate
hazards such as potholes, Whitey Bulger hideouts and drivers who
believe the turn signal is supposed to be saved for emergencies.
Alas, many fail to understand that it simply isn't safe to use a
bicycle to navigate your way along a narrow, winding road that can
barely fit two average-sized go-carts. All it takes is one zipperhead
with a driver's license to come barreling around the corner at 60
mph, and the cyclist who is occupying a third of the skimpy lane is
likely to get himself killed, maimed, or at the very least see his
Schwinn Super Sport land in that Great Bicycle Rack in the Sky.
Worse still are the biker groups who ride two or more abreast,
casting aside those all-important "single file" lessons we were
taught in elementary school on our way to the cafeteria to consume
our peanut butter and jelly du jour.
Even if an accident doesn't result from this neglectful
strategy, a lengthy line of frustrated drivers who are unable to pass
the cyclists most certainly will. Cars that are capable of going from
zero to 60 in 2.7 nanoseconds will instead be progressing so slowly
that you'd think they worked in state government.
Occasionally I spot a bicyclist actually using the sidewalk,
where one is present, to ensure his or her own safety, which I
usually respond to by giving that biker dude a thumbs-up or a
pumped-fist "Rock On" sign to demonstrate my approval. Most also
deserve credit for wearing bright-colored, albeit dorky-looking
apparel and being sure to use a helmet, which virtually nobody on a
bicycle wore when I was just a little lad.
Summer is prime cycling season, to be sure, and no amount of
whining on my part is going to deter enthusiasts from taking to the
streets, so we drivers have to be all the more aware as we motor our
way about town, especially on those narrow roadways where you often
can't see beyond the oak tree 8 feet ahead.
But the bikers themselves also need to remember that, while the
activity can be fun and serve as excellent exercise, it is important
not to strap that helmet on so tightly that your brain ceases to
exercise common sense as you're pedaling away.
If you actually take my advice, well shucks, I might even foot
the bill so you can get some cooler-looking clothes.
Dave Gradijan can be reached at dgradijan@cnc.com.
_______________________________________________
Boston Critical Mass mailing list
list@bostoncriticalmass.org
http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list


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Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! --0-1925978784-1090271252=:78166-- From adam@bostoncoop.net Mon Jul 19 17:09:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: by bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6DCBD133EB; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:09:07 -0400 From: Adam Rosi-Kessel To: Boston Critical Mass Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Horrifying editorial in the TAB Message-ID: <20040719210907.GA16301@bostoncoop.net> References: <1d4.25f0b481.2e2d850b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1d4.25f0b481.2e2d850b@aol.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040523i Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:09:07 -0000 On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 04:11:55PM -0400, TSmith4918@aol.com wrote: > Perhaps Gradijan experienced a Critical Mass outing? > nah, sounds like Dave never has touched a bike or if he did, it was probably > only for fun as congratulated himself for riding on the sidewalk For what it's worth, the guy is an editor of the Needham paper. I wonder if he's talking about suburban roads. We all know that in the city, we're going faster than the cars on the city streets. (not that we're supposed to go over onto the edge in the suburbs, either, but his complaints just seem particularly ridiculous in the urban context). -- Adam Rosi-Kessel http://adam.rosi-kessel.org From TSmith4918@aol.com Mon Jul 19 17:12:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F515133F9 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TSmith4918@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id a.143.2e3f1a78 (1320) for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:12:20 -0400 (EDT) From: TSmith4918@aol.com Message-ID: <143.2e3f1a78.2e2d9334@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:12:20 EDT Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Horrifying editorial in the TAB To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1090271540" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5112 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:12:26 -0000 -------------------------------1090271540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/19/2004 5:09:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, adam@rosi-kessel.org writes: For what it's worth, the guy is an editor of the Needham paper for which jr high school does the editor opine? -------------------------------1090271540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 7/19/2004 5:09:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, adam@ros= i-kessel.org writes:
For what it's worth, the guy is an editor of t= he Needham paper
for which jr high school does the editor opine?
-------------------------------1090271540-- From turtle@zworg.com Mon Jul 19 17:58:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from vw.zworg.com (vw.zworg.com [207.36.180.93]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D890B133F6 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5106 invoked by uid 502); 19 Jul 2004 21:58:44 -0000 To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Horrifying editorial in the TAB From: "turtle" Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:58:44 -0700 Message-id: <5042.1090274324@zworg.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:58:55 -0000 Here is the letter I sent to the Editor (at least I hope it gets to the editor, the Herald's website sucks.) -Turil ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Allston/Brighton TAB Editor, >From the confused anti-bike rant in the Allston-Brighton TAB last week, it sounds like Dave Gradijan is one of the many newly landed urbanites who has yet to learn that driving a car in Boston is a no-win situation. We transportational bicyclists (as opposed to the frufru recreational cyclists - who ride bikes that cost more than the writer's car probably does) have learned this lesson from having lived in Boston for decades. Sure, we probably had a car when we arrived from distant lands such as New Jersey, Connecticut, and Framingham. But soon, we found that parking tickets, insurance, theft, snail's pace traffic jams, and the ubiquitous Noreasters meant that car ownership was far more trouble than it was worth - especially with the purchase of a $50 bike and a T stop within spitting distance of just about any place worth it's (Boston Baked) beans. May I suggest, that if Mr Gradijan truly wants to drive his car, he should get out of the city. The suburbs hold a plethora of lovely, wide, sterile roads that he will be able to enjoy as he sprawls from his home to his office, to his gym (so he can keep in shape while safely going nowhere). In the meantime, please wish Mr. Gradijan good luck commuting by car during the DNC. Myself, I'll be biking on the roads that he and his car will be banished from. Turil Cronburg Somerville From lfpeters@eltonhamptonarchitects.com Mon Jul 19 18:09:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from eltonhamptonarchitects.com (capehatteras.lhhost.com [63.87.227.162]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCFE7133E3 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PETERS [141.154.37.77] by eltonhamptonarchitects.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.12) id A86417A0009C; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:17:08 -0400 From: "Lee Peters" To: "'Boston Critical Mass'" Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:11:21 -0400 Message-ID: <005d01c46ddd$52af0ba0$6c02a8c0@PETERS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <5042.1090274324@zworg.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-mxGuard-Info: Processed by capehatteras.lhhost.com using mxGuard v1.4.0 X-mxGuard-Spool-ID: 486417a0009cb71f X-mxGuard-Auth-Sender: lfpeters@eltonhamptonarchitects@eltonhamptonarchitects.com X-mxGuard-Spam-Score: 0 Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] TAB X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:09:33 -0000 All of your notes have been excellent. Dave has been put back into his place, but in your friendly and humorous way. From rawillis3@juno.com Mon Jul 19 18:18:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from m09.lax.untd.com (m09.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.72]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 54A65133E3 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 18:18:21 -0400 (EDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: 37IoItTkUnDYkYSV4t94wCpkj2n4mAhMGyaT7tIlGJ+Fi1TjTiWgpg== Received: (from rawillis3@juno.com) by m09.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J2XERUSK; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:17:38 PDT To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:11:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [*BCM*] TAB article Message-ID: <20040719.171134.-212061.32.rawillis3@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-5,14-16 From: russell a willis iii Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:18:21 -0000 On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:46:28 -0700 (PDT) David Goligorsky writes: > we would all be happy with bike lanes. -- I am one of those cranks who think that a sufficiently wide outer lane is preferable to a designated bike lane, and that where the outer lane is not wide enough, the motorist should just sit back and suffer. The potential problem with designated bike lanes (sometimes) is that they create the impression (among motorists) that bikes do not belong anywhere else. Sort of a "sidepath" mentality. Also (in St. Louis, at least, where there are only a couple or three designated lanes anyway), they are sometimes configured in completely irrational ways, inviting right hooks, etc. rawillis3@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From dabbotthammond@comcast.net Mon Jul 19 19:40:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AAD13404 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hppav (h00e018c6cb30.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.88.80]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20040719234014015003icvbe>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:40:15 +0000 Message-ID: <003b01c46dea$90290a00$50581f42@ne2.client2.attbi.com> From: "David Hammond" To: "Boston Critical Mass" References: <98.fefec74.2e2d837c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Horrifying editorial in the TAB Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:46:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01C46DC9.084F8620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:40:16 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C46DC9.084F8620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I read Gradijan's rant and had a few good laughs - compared to Howie = Carr's open advocacy of felonious assault against cyclists it was benign = and balanced. What really frosts my patootie are all the Darwin Award = contenders out there who ride on the wrong side of the road, helmetless, = cruising through stop signs and red lights INTO CROSS-TRAFFIC FLOW, on = two-wheeled rejects from the dump-picker's ball. Oh, and doing all this = at night w/o lights, reflectors or light colored clothing. Their antics = are what puts ME in danger from the fulminating geniuses in their Dodge = Ram Intimidators with more testosterone than diesel in their tanks and = chips on their shoulders the size of Woonsocket. Although I live out in East Bumtickle, I DO come into the metropolis = often enough to look at the Tab occasionally. It's no stretch to = surmise that the bulk of it's ad revenue comes from - guess what - car = dealerships. Now, THEY enjoyed Gradijan's tantrum, I guarantee it. And = that's the crux of my point - the cycling community doesn't need any = more negative press. Perhaps the ROI on Critical Mass just ain't there = no more, folks. Let's get imaginative in our strategy and tactics, and = garner, if not positive press, then at least press that forces people to = think, not emote. For instance -=20 Meals On Wheels lost over 30% of its volunteers to high gasoline prices = recently. I tried to volunteer my electric-assist utility bike & myself = to do deliveries, but the local coordinators were afraid of the thing = (attractive-nuisance-type liability, I think). So how about younger, = more fit folks than me volunteer to do it on "normal" bikes? If you're into civil disobedience that potentially saves lives, get = yourself a case of fluorescent orange spray paint and go out marking = "pavement defects" that could throw an unsuspecting cyclist into the = path of an overtaking semi. The charge is Defacing Public Property, I'm = out on $500.00 bail for my 3rd such offense in as many weeks, and will = be going out again as soon as the roads dry. One hint: walk or ride a = beater you don't care about, because your bike will be confiscated. Organize a rush-hour race with your friends who drive within the 128 = circumference. You on your bike, strictly obeying ALL traffic laws, will = beat your motoring buddy 9 times out of 10. Each cyclist follows the = exact (non limited-access-highway, of course) route her/his buddy drives = to and from work, even wearing the same type of clothes. Let Channel 5 = and the Boston Globe know in advance. Remember Richardson, Mehegan & = Barnicle, the Moe, Larry & Curly of Channel 5's Chronicle? They used to = do this race on an annual basis, using a car, a train or subway, and a = bus. That's just a few ideas. On a more serious note, instead of Critical = Mass creating more violent cyclophobes, we need a Cyclists' Defense = League putting them away. Raise money to equip club pelotons with = loaner comm gear and a tagging device (paintball gun?), to identify and = mark the vehicles that attack riders. Raise more money to hire = top-notch legal talent (or trade a Klein OCLV to a bicycling attorney in = return for, say, 500 pro-bono hours). Raise consciousness by = surrounding the house and/or workplace of "enemies of cycling", i.e., = Howie Carr, Dave Gradijan, politicians, judges and any hemorrhoids = convicted of assaulting a cyclist. So much for my derailleur adjustment - I hope now we're not all still = stuck in Critical Mass gear. Dave Hammond ----- Original Message -----=20 From: TSmith4918@aol.com=20 To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org=20 Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Horrifying editorial in the TAB In a message dated 7/19/2004 3:54:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, = dabbotthammond@comcast.net writes: Righteous indignation, though warranted, will just make the cycling community look like humorless, self-absorbed curmudgeons (a.k.a. Lycrazoids), which does nothing to reduce the motorist assault rate = (petty and otherwise) against us dang, and all this time I thought the assault rate was due to road = rage and bad drivers...it never occurred to me (until now) that it was = my curmudgeonly attitude that attracted bumpers to me ass...now i see = the light! actually, DHammond raises a good point...shouldn't be too = hard to write something at least half as funny as the TAB editorial. and sorry, folks, for the humorless self-absorbed tirade I sent back = to the jerk...I will let him know immediately that I was speaking for = myself and most bikers enjoy a good joke about being sent to the bike = rack in the sky! after all it crosses our minds every time we get on the = dang things... Tim -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Boston Critical Mass mailing list list@bostoncriticalmass.org http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C46DC9.084F8620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I read Gradijan's rant and had a few good laughs - compared to = Howie Carr's=20 open advocacy of felonious assault against cyclists it was benign and=20 balanced.  What really frosts my patootie are all the Darwin = Award=20 contenders out there who ride on the wrong side of the road, helmetless, = cruising through stop signs and red lights INTO CROSS-TRAFFIC FLOW, on=20 two-wheeled rejects from the dump-picker's ball. Oh, and doing all this = at night=20 w/o lights, reflectors or light colored clothing.  Their antics are = what=20 puts ME in danger from the fulminating geniuses in their Dodge Ram = Intimidators=20 with more testosterone than diesel in their tanks and chips on their = shoulders=20 the size of Woonsocket.
 
Although I live out in East Bumtickle, I DO come into the = metropolis often=20 enough to look at the Tab occasionally.  It's no stretch to surmise = that=20 the bulk of it's ad revenue comes from - guess what - car = dealerships. =20 Now, THEY enjoyed Gradijan's tantrum, I guarantee it.  And that's = the crux=20 of my point - the cycling community doesn't need any more negative = press. =20 Perhaps the ROI on Critical Mass just ain't there no more, folks.  = Let's=20 get imaginative in our strategy and tactics, and garner, if not positive = press,=20 then at least press that forces people to think, not emote. For instance = -=20
 
Meals On Wheels lost over 30% of its volunteers to high gasoline = prices=20 recently.  I tried to volunteer my electric-assist utility bike = &=20 myself to do deliveries, but the local coordinators were afraid of the = thing=20 (attractive-nuisance-type liability, I think).  So how about = younger, more=20 fit folks than me volunteer to do it on "normal" bikes?
 
If you're into civil disobedience that potentially saves lives, get = yourself a case of fluorescent orange spray paint and go out marking = "pavement=20 defects" that could throw an unsuspecting cyclist into the path of an = overtaking=20 semi.  The charge is Defacing Public Property, I'm out on $500.00 = bail for=20 my 3rd such offense in as many weeks, and will be going out again as = soon as the=20 roads dry.  One hint: walk or ride a beater you don't care about, = because=20 your bike will be confiscated.
 
Organize a rush-hour race with your friends who drive within the = 128=20 circumference. You on your bike, strictly obeying ALL traffic laws, will = beat=20 your motoring buddy 9 times out of 10.  Each cyclist follows the = exact (non=20 limited-access-highway, of course) route her/his buddy drives to and = from work,=20 even wearing the same type of clothes.  Let Channel 5 and the = Boston=20 Globe know in advance.  Remember Richardson, Mehegan & = Barnicle,=20 the Moe, Larry & Curly of Channel 5's Chronicle?  They used to = do this=20 race on an annual basis, using a car, a train or subway, and a = bus.
 
That's just a few ideas.  On a more serious note, instead of = Critical=20 Mass creating more violent cyclophobes, we need a Cyclists' Defense=20 League putting them away.  Raise money to equip club pelotons = with=20 loaner comm gear and a tagging device (paintball gun?), to identify and = mark the=20 vehicles that attack riders.  Raise more money to hire top-notch = legal=20 talent (or trade a Klein OCLV to a bicycling attorney in return for, = say, 500=20 pro-bono hours).  Raise consciousness by surrounding the house = and/or=20 workplace of "enemies of cycling", i.e., Howie Carr, Dave Gradijan, = politicians,=20 judges and any hemorrhoids convicted of assaulting a cyclist.
 
So much for my derailleur adjustment - I hope now we're not all = still stuck=20 in Critical Mass gear.
 
Dave Hammond
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 TSmith4918@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 = 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Horrifying = editorial=20 in the TAB

Righteous indignation, though warranted, will just make = the=20 cycling
community look like humorless, self-absorbed curmudgeons=20 (a.k.a.
Lycrazoids), which does nothing to reduce the motorist = assault=20 rate (petty
and otherwise) against us
dang, and all this time I thought the assault rate was due = to road=20 rage and bad drivers...it never occurred to me (until now) that = it was my=20 curmudgeonly attitude that attracted bumpers to me ass...now i see the = light!  actually, DHammond raises a good point...shouldn't be too = hard to=20 write something at least half as funny as the TAB editorial.
 
and sorry, folks, for the humorless self-absorbed tirade I sent = back to=20 the jerk...I will let him know immediately that I was speaking = for myself=20 and most bikers enjoy a good joke about being sent to the bike = rack in=20 the sky! after all it crosses our minds every time we get on the dang=20 things...
 
Tim

_______________________________________________
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list@bostoncriticalmass.org
http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list= ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C46DC9.084F8620-- From dabbotthammond@comcast.net Mon Jul 19 19:42:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23AE113404 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hppav (h00e018c6cb30.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.88.80]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20040719234249015003i1a7e>; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:42:49 +0000 Message-ID: <004601c46dea$ec28fae0$50581f42@ne2.client2.attbi.com> From: "David Hammond" To: "Boston Critical Mass" References: <20040719.171134.-212061.32.rawillis3@juno.com> Subject: Re: [*BCM*] TAB article Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:48:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 23:42:50 -0000 We need bike lanes like we need colored-only lunch counters, restrooms and schools. Dave Hammond ----- Original Message ----- From: "russell a willis iii" To: Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [*BCM*] TAB article > > On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:46:28 -0700 (PDT) David Goligorsky > writes: > > > we would all be happy with bike lanes. > > -- I am one of those cranks who think that a sufficiently wide outer lane > is preferable to a designated bike lane, and that where the outer lane is > not wide enough, the motorist should just sit back and suffer. The > potential problem with designated bike lanes (sometimes) is that they > create the impression (among motorists) that bikes do not belong anywhere > else. Sort of a "sidepath" mentality. Also (in St. Louis, at least, > where there are only a couple or three designated lanes anyway), they are > sometimes configured in completely irrational ways, inviting right hooks, > etc. > > > rawillis3@juno.com > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > _______________________________________________ > Boston Critical Mass mailing list > list@bostoncriticalmass.org > http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list From iandavid@fatima.utopus.net Tue Jul 20 01:01:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from fatima.utopus.net (fatima.utopus.net [216.40.245.209]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57EF61337D for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 01:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iandavid by fatima.utopus.net with local (Exim 4.34) id 1Bmmkd-0006ys-At for list@bostoncriticalmass.org; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:01:15 -0500 From: "Ian" To: Boston Critical Mass Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Horrifying editorial in the TAB X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.26 X-IPAddress: 127.0.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:01:15 -0500 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - fatima.utopus.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - bostoncriticalmass.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32009 510] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - fatima.utopus.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 05:01:20 -0000 Lee Peters wrote: > Yea, PJ O’Rourke did one of these anti-bike articles about 12 years > ago, except it was funny. > > This is straight-up illegal according to the manual. What an idiot. > > “Occasionally I spot a bicyclist actually using the sidewalk, where > one is present, to ensure his or her own safety, which I usually > respond to by giving that biker dude a thumbs-up or a pumped-fist > "Rock On" sign to demonstrate my approval.” <> > What bothers me is that riding on the sidewalk isn't completely illegal in MA. (I believe other posts in this thread have touched on this.) After reading the editorial I looked up the section in the MA General Laws on bicycles (http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/85-11b.htm), and this is what I found: "Every person operating a bicycle upon a way, as defined in section one of chapter ninety, shall have the right to use all public ways in the commonwealth except limited access or express state highways where signs specifically prohibiting bicycles have been posted, and shall be subject to the traffic laws and regulations of the commonwealth and the special regulations contained in this section, except that: (1) the bicycle operator may keep to the right when passing a motor vehicle which is moving in the travel lane of the way, (2) the bicycle operator shall signal by either hand his intention to stop or turn, and (3) bicycles may be ridden on sidewalks outside business districts when necessary in the interest of safety, unless otherwise directed by local ordinance. A person operating a bicycle on the sidewalk shall yield the right of way to pedestrians and give an audible signal before overtaking and passing any pedestrian." I suppose that, in rural areas with busy roads that have no shoulder, riding on the sidewalks /might/ be a safer alternative and thus warrant such a clause. Also, I'm curious if part of why it's allowed has to do with areas like Memorial Drive or the Esplanade where bikes are forced to share the way with pedestrians. But for the most part, I think the wording here is way too vague, and that cyclists should always be discouraged from riding on the sidewalks unless it's completely necessary. I guess it's that "completely necessary" part that needs some clarification. One more thing I found interesting about the law was this: "Operators of bicycles shall be subject to the following regulations: (1) The operator shall ride single file on any way except when passing." That pretty much states flat-out that rides like critical mass are in violation, no? Oh well. I guess I'll be breaking the law next Friday then. Hope you all will be too. :) -Ian Westcott P.S. - Down on the bottom of that page: "Violations of any provision of this section except violations of subclause (iii) of clause (2) shall be punished by a fine of not more than twenty dollars." I don't know about anybody else, but a fine of that magnitude doesn't worry me all that much. > -----Original Message----- > *From:* bostoncriticalmass-bounces@bostoncriticalmass.org > [mailto:bostoncriticalmass-bounces@bostoncriticalmass.org] *On Behalf > Of *TSmith4918@aol.com > *Sent:* Monday, July 19, 2004 3:09 PM > *To:* list@bostoncriticalmass.org > *Subject:* Re: [*BCM*] Horrifying editorial in the TAB > > thanks for sending, max....it really is a stupid article/column/editorial. > > hard to figure what the guy's point is other than to demonstrate how > much of a moron he is. > > next time he steps off the curb, I say seven of us, riding abreast, > take him out... > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Boston Critical Mass mailing list >list@bostoncriticalmass.org >http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list > -- ~Ian Westcott criticalmass@ianw.org http://www.ianw.org/ From rnewman@thecia.net Tue Jul 20 00:36:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17AEB1337D for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.7.206.247] ([207.7.206.247]) by smtp.thecia.net; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:36:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6C83F498-DA06-11D8-84B6-00039380B582@thecia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: massbike@topica.com, list@bostoncriticalmass.org From: Ron Newman Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:36:53 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:18:20 -0400 Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] DNC Bike Safety - from the Bl(A)ck Tea Society X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 04:36:59 -0000 The Bl(A)ck Tea Society, a group that is very loosely coordinating some protests at the Democratic National Convention, has published this guide to safe bicycling during the DNC: http://www.blackteasociety.org/bostonguide/boston/bikesafety.php From rawillis3@juno.com Tue Jul 20 08:10:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from m09.lax.untd.com (m09.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.72]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 47DC8132E9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:10:53 -0400 (EDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: 37IoItTkUnDYkYSV4t94wESjUlY3bB4xc0GlqHRxKJ7GCoLyc6GS4w== Received: (from rawillis3@juno.com) by m09.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J2YWDTZS; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 05:09:56 PDT To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:02:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Horrifying editorial in the TAB Message-ID: <20040720.070248.-212061.49.rawillis3@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,5-6,9-10 From: russell a willis iii Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:10:53 -0000 On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:01:15 -0500 "Ian" writes: > One more thing I found interesting about the law was this: "Operators of bicycles shall be subject to the following regulations: (1) The operator shall ride single file on any way except when passing." -- If you have anyone there who can push a legislative agenda, you might want to include this. In most other places, cyclists can ride abreast except where to do so will obstruct other traffic. rawillis3@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From adam@bostoncoop.net Tue Jul 20 08:27:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: by bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 69853133A6; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:27:03 -0400 From: Adam Rosi-Kessel To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org Message-ID: <20040720122703.GA1699@bostoncoop.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040523i Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] Letters to the Editor from the Baltimore Sun X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:27:03 -0000 A bunch of letters to the editor from the this Saturday's Baltimore Sun: ----- A mass of cyclists takes to city streets In an article about Baltimore's monthly Critical Mass bicycle event, David Brown, a spokesman for the city Department of Transportation, states that many people see Baltimore as bike-friendly ("Bicyclists instigate a traffic jam with a purpose," July 12). As a bicycle commuter and local taxpayer, I frequently participate in Critical Mass events because I have formed the opposite opinion about Baltimore 's regard for bicycles. Many streets (e.g., St. Paul Street) are extremely treacherous to navigate on two wheels at any time. In addition, while the author paraphrases Mr. Brown as affirming that Baltimore has "19 miles of bike lanes already established or designated," these bike lanes are not seen where they are most needed. Another reason that I ride with Critical Mass is to make the statement that local merchants in Baltimore could experience an economic windfall if the city would only increase access to public streets for pedal and foot traffic at the expense of automobiles. Foot traffic is vastly more desirable for local merchants than maximizing Baltimore's potential as a highway to get out of town. Critical Mass is a moving festival using bicycles that has the best interests of Baltimore in mind. Scott Loughrey Baltimore I wanted to offer an alternative view to that of the members of Critical Mass, the cyclists who block city traffic lanes to "remind drivers that they have a right to be on the road, too." Bicycle traffic has indeed increased on city streets in recent months. And I happily share the road with cyclists traveling downtown on Falls Road, which seems to be a popular route for them. Unlike hostile SUV drivers, I am so afraid that an unexpected pothole or other hazard will throw the cyclist into my path that I slow down and give cyclists as wide a berth as possible. But I have also been dodging more and more cyclists on main thoroughfares and on downtown sidewalks. I recently watched a cyclist sail through a red light on Martin Luther King Boulevard with nary a glance at the oncoming traffic. A colleague of mine, two months' pregnant, was hit by a man on a bicycle who ignored the right of way. She broke her wrist in the fall. And bicycle messengers speeding to make deliveries take numerous chances with both pedestrians and auto traffic, jumping on and off sidewalks to avoid red lights and tie-ups. The members of Critical Mass are to be commended for proposing a means of transportation that offers such tremendous fitness and environmental benefits. However, there are just as many meatheads on bikes as in cars. I strongly believe that if bicyclists are to share the roads with automobiles, they should be licensed, carry liability insurance and be ticketed when they violate traffic laws. If they want to share city streets, I suggest they go to City Hall and petition for bike lanes and thoroughfares where they can travel safely without jeopardizing the majority of travelers, who have enough headaches navigating trucks, buses, ambulances, delivery vans, light-rail trains, pedestrians and other cars. Vickie J. Gray Baltimore I would like to express my outrage over Critical Mass and its biking activities. To ride bikes in Baltimore simply to tie up traffic is a selfish endeavor. Apparently the group's members do not have experience sitting in Baltimore rush-hour traffic. If they did, they would realize that making the traffic more congested will not encourage a favorable dialogue about issues related to cycling. Jay Wells Baltimore I have ridden a bike in Baltimore for 40 years - and survived. For a long time, I was a daily commuter; now I mostly do errands downtown by bicycle. I have been sideswiped, run off the road and front-ended (by a cab driver who came to a dead stop in front of me, causing me to crash into him; he never looked up before or after the crash.) One day a van driver sideswiped me twice. I caught up to him, leaned into his open window and defined for him the meaning of a public street. His response: "You should be in an insane asylum!" But I definitely have mixed feelings about Critical Mass. Automobile drivers are angry enough already, especially at rush hour. I think the best way to make your case as a bicyclist is to stay to the right, obey the rules of the road and ride, baby, ride. If gas prices keep climbing, drivers will get the message. James D. Dilts Baltimore Riding bicycles defiantly in rush-hour traffic without helmets is more a demonstration for organ donation than for sharing the road. Local cycling clubs always urge members to wear safety gear such as helmets and bright or reflective clothing and follow the rules of the road - allowing cars to pass and using hand signals to communicate turns. Critical Mass will dwindle as its members end up in critical care. Ride to the side, please. Ellen Eisenstadt Owings Mills ---- -- Adam Rosi-Kessel http://adam.rosi-kessel.org From TSmith4918@aol.com Tue Jul 20 09:40:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45675132E9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TSmith4918@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id 4.f6.3d46904b (3972); Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:40:45 -0400 (EDT) From: TSmith4918@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:40:45 EDT To: dgradijan@cnc.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1090330845" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5112 Cc: list@bostoncriticalmass.org Subject: [*BCM*] Great anti-bike editorial, Dave! X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:40:56 -0000 -------------------------------1090330845 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave, Rock on, man. I loved your piece about the bike riders in our area who think they completely own the road and actually make the roads more dangerous for all of us who travel more "sanely" by car. Just the other day I had to pass several of these slow weaving cyclers on a street downtown. Made me ten minutes late for work! And one of them had on this self-righteous shirt stating "One less car"; tell you what, when I saw that, I almost made the world better off by one less biker! In fact, I just ordered a couple of shirts saying "One less Bike...and proud of it!"...I'll send you one! I know all about the state law that says bikes have rights to the road, but when will they learn that it's survival of the fittest out there? Sheesh, I had to buy me a huge SUV so my family would be safer on the road...don't these folks get it? Bikes are history, man. they just aren't safe and I am supposed to feel bad if one of them gets clipped by a car? As you inferred in your article from those who "fail to realize that it just isn't safe to bike", maybe if more of them get hit, the message will finally get through. I bought my 6-year old an ATV so she could be an experienced driver! It'd be a death sentence to get her interested in biking. Articles like yours will do us all a great service by steering parents and kids away from suicidal cycling...you're providing a valuable community service! I really liked different parts of your article: I loved the joke about the "Great Bicycle Rack in the Sky" and the one about bikes causing conditions that resemble the glacial progress of state government...ha! let's face it, most of these bikers are liberals anyway and probably like big government!! And your recommendation of riding on the sidewalks? I am with you, dude. I am always yelling at these guys to get on the sidewalk...let the pedestrians deal with them. heck, the pedestrians are my second biggest problem. Maybe you could write an article about them and how maybe we should abolish sidewalks; no one uses them anymore and we could use an extra travel lane for sure out here in Waterham. And as for the "dorky" clothing...wierd liberal expensive clingy stuff, man. When I am out shooting ducks on the charles, I can pick up an orange t-shirt at eddie bauer for $9...and those helmets? I am with you, I never needed one of those when i was a kid either even though I experienced several head trauma; those accidents and injuries make one tougher, doncha think? Again, I think the helmet lobby is one of those liberal conspiracies, for sure. maybe you could do some research on that? As for riders riding abreast...two or more constitute a row in my mind and any row is a target in my mind (see duck hunting above). I agree with you that they do this to spite the drivers and are only asking for trouble. Thanks for the insightful (and inciteful, if you know what I mean *wink*) piece; obviously, you have had extensive experience with these two-wheeled nuisances! keep up the good work (see sidewalk abolition suggestion above!). Your faithful reader, Dodge Durango Waterham, MA PS: attached is a recent pic of my SUV...ain't she a beaut? -------------------------------1090330845 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dave,
Rock on, man.  I loved your piece about the bik= e riders in our area who think they completely own the road and actually mak= e the roads more dangerous for all of us who travel more "sanely" by car.&nb= sp; Just the other day I had to pass several of these slow weaving cycl= ers on a street downtown.  Made me ten minutes late for work!  And= one of them had on this self-righteous shirt stating "One less car"; =20= tell you what, when I saw that, I almost made the world better off by one le= ss biker!   In fact, I just ordered a couple of shirts saying "One= less Bike...and proud of it!"...I'll send you one!
I know all about the state law that says bikes have=20= rights to the road, but when will they learn that it's survival of the fitte= st out there?  Sheesh, I had to buy me a huge SUV so my family wou= ld be safer on the road...don't these folks get it?  Bikes are history,= man. they just aren't safe and I am supposed to feel bad if one of them get= s clipped by a car?  As you inferred in your article from those who "fa= il to realize that it just isn't safe to bike", maybe if more of them get hi= t, the message will finally get through.  I bought my 6-year old a= n ATV so she could be an experienced driver!  It'd be a death= sentence to get her interested in biking.  Articles like yours will do= us all a great service by steering parents and kids away from suicidal cycl= ing...you're providing a valuable community service!
 
I really liked different parts of your article: = ; I loved the joke about the "Great Bicycle Rack in the Sky" and the one abo= ut bikes causing conditions that resemble the glacial progress of state gove= rnment...ha!  let's face it, most of these bikers are liberals anyway a= nd probably like big government!!  And your recommendation of riding on= the sidewalks?  I am with you, dude.  I am always yelling at thes= e guys to get on the sidewalk...let the pedestrians deal with them.  he= ck, the pedestrians are my second biggest problem.  Maybe you could wri= te an article about them and how maybe we should abolish sidewalks;  no= one uses them anymore and we could use an extra travel lane for sure out he= re in Waterham.  And as for the "dorky" clothing...wierd liberal expens= ive clingy stuff, man.   When I am out shooting ducks on the charl= es, I can pick up an orange t-shirt at eddie bauer for $9...and those h= elmets?  I am with you, I never needed one of those when i was a kid ei= ther even though I experienced several head trauma;  those accidents an= d injuries make one tougher, doncha think?  Again, I think the helmet l= obby is one of those liberal conspiracies, for sure.  maybe you could d= o some research on that?
 
As for riders riding abreast...two or more constitut= e a row in my mind and any row is a target in my mind (see duck hunting abov= e).  I agree with you that they do this to spite the drivers and are on= ly asking for trouble.
 
Thanks for the insightful (and inciteful, if you kno= w what I mean *wink*) piece;  obviously, you have had extensive experie= nce with these two-wheeled  nuisances!  keep up the good work (see= sidewalk abolition suggestion above!).
 
Your faithful reader,
 
Dodge Durango
Waterham, MA
 
PS:  attached is a recent pic of my SUV...ain't she a beaut?
 
     
   =             &nbs= p;           <= /DIV> -------------------------------1090330845-- From turtle@zworg.com Tue Jul 20 10:01:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from vw.zworg.com (vw.zworg.com [207.36.180.93]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA9B7132FF for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18875 invoked by uid 502); 20 Jul 2004 13:50:26 -0000 To: "Boston Critical Mass" Subject: Re: [*BCM*] TAB article From: "turtle" Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:50:26 -0700 Message-id: <18849.1090331426@zworg.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:01:13 -0000 Boston Critical Mass wrote: > > We need bike lanes like we need colored-only lunch counters, restrooms and > schools. > > Dave Hammond My sentiments exactly. -Turtle Who's streets? Everyone's streets! From turtle@zworg.com Tue Jul 20 10:04:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from vw.zworg.com (vw.zworg.com [207.36.180.93]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205A8132E9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23384 invoked by uid 502); 20 Jul 2004 14:00:22 -0000 To: "Boston Critical Mass" From: "turtle" Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 07:00:22 -0700 Message-id: <23029.1090332022@zworg.com> Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] Single file law (was Horrifying editorial in the TAB) X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:04:14 -0000 The Bicyclists' Bill of Rights and Responsibilities, which would change the single-file law to a somewhat less descrimintory "double-file" law, is currently making it's way through Massachusetts legislature and needs lots of support to push it through. Check out http://www.massbike.org/bikelaw/leg2003/ for more info, and then contact your state senators and representatives and tell them to vote for it! Heck, you could even ask your legislator's to propose an amendment to make the law non-descriminatory by taking out the random-number-file law altogether. (Think of China, and imagine a utopian Boston, where everyone bicycles. Then imagine them all trying to ride single-file, or even double-file!) -Turtle Who's Streets? Everyone's Streets! Boston Critical Mass wrote: > > > On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:01:15 -0500 "Ian" writes: > > > One more thing I found interesting about the law was this: "Operators > of bicycles shall be subject to the following regulations: (1) The > operator shall ride single file on any way except when passing." > > -- If you have anyone there who can push a legislative agenda, you might > want to include this. In most other places, cyclists can ride abreast > except where to do so will obstruct other traffic. > > rawillis3@juno.com > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > _______________________________________________ > Boston Critical Mass mailing list > list@bostoncriticalmass.org > http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list > From arthursc@rcn.com Tue Jul 20 10:40:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C30132E9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-124-68.c3-0.nwt-ubr1.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com ([209.6.124.68]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1Bmvmr-00031u-00 for list@bostoncriticalmass.org; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:40:09 -0400 Message-ID: <40FD2E69.9020701@rcn.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:38:33 -0400 From: Arthur User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boston Critical Mass References: <5042.1090274324@zworg.com> In-Reply-To: <5042.1090274324@zworg.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] Frufru? X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:40:10 -0000 frufru? What, a schism between recreational and transportational? Is this like naderite progresives vs ABB progressives? --ac turtle wrote: >Here is the letter I sent to the Editor (at least I hope it gets to the >editor, the Herald's website sucks.) > >-Turil > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Dear Allston/Brighton TAB Editor, > >>From the confused anti-bike rant in the Allston-Brighton TAB last week, >it sounds like Dave Gradijan is one of the many newly landed urbanites >who has yet to learn that driving a car in Boston is a no-win >situation. We transportational bicyclists (as opposed to the frufru >recreational cyclists - who ride bikes that cost more than the writer's >car probably does) have learned this lesson from having lived in Boston >for decades. Sure, we probably had a car when we arrived from distant >lands such as New Jersey, Connecticut, and Framingham. But soon, we >found that parking tickets, insurance, theft, snail's pace traffic >jams, and the ubiquitous Noreasters meant that car ownership was far >more trouble than it was worth - especially with the purchase of a $50 >bike and a T stop within spitting distance of just about any place >worth it's (Boston Baked) beans. > >May I suggest, that if Mr Gradijan truly wants to drive his car, he >should get out of the city. The suburbs hold a plethora of lovely, >wide, sterile roads that he will be able to enjoy as he sprawls from >his home to his office, to his gym (so he can keep in shape while >safely going nowhere). > >In the meantime, please wish Mr. Gradijan good luck commuting by car >during the DNC. Myself, I'll be biking on the roads that he and his car >will be banished from. > >Turil Cronburg >Somerville >_______________________________________________ >Boston Critical Mass mailing list >list@bostoncriticalmass.org >http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list > > > From turtle@zworg.com Tue Jul 20 11:27:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from vw.zworg.com (vw.zworg.com [207.36.180.93]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB25132E9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24044 invoked by uid 502); 20 Jul 2004 15:27:46 -0000 To: "Boston Critical Mass" , "Boston Critical Mass" Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Frufru? From: "turtle" Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:27:46 -0700 Message-id: <23840.1090337266@zworg.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:27:56 -0000 Boston Critical Mass wrote: > > frufru? What, a schism between recreational and transportational? Is > this like naderite progresives vs ABB progressives? > --ac Yep! :-) It's similar to the schism between the SUV types and the Toyota Prius types... Turtle what's an ABB progressive? Oh, I think I get it, Anybody But Bush? From turtle@zworg.com Tue Jul 20 11:27:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from vw.zworg.com (vw.zworg.com [207.36.180.93]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739B2132FF for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24044 invoked by uid 502); 20 Jul 2004 15:27:46 -0000 To: "Boston Critical Mass" , "Boston Critical Mass" Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Frufru? From: "turtle" Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:27:46 -0700 Message-id: <23840.1090337266@zworg.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:27:56 -0000 Boston Critical Mass wrote: > > frufru? What, a schism between recreational and transportational? Is > this like naderite progresives vs ABB progressives? > --ac Yep! :-) It's similar to the schism between the SUV types and the Toyota Prius types... Turtle what's an ABB progressive? Oh, I think I get it, Anybody But Bush? From arthursc@rcn.com Tue Jul 20 12:16:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B6E31334E for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-124-68.c3-0.nwt-ubr1.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com ([209.6.124.68]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1BmxHf-0005Gg-00 for list@bostoncriticalmass.org; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:16:04 -0400 Message-ID: <40FD44B8.5020509@rcn.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:13:44 -0400 From: Arthur User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boston Critical Mass Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Frufru? References: <23840.1090337266@zworg.com> In-Reply-To: <23840.1090337266@zworg.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080408070000050800030600" Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:16:09 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080408070000050800030600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So I assume you're the Prius and I'm the SUV. So much for my bonafides. Harumph. What about those who are both transportational and recreational riders? Hybrid SUV's? Protest Non-voters? Hey, the sun came out. I'm going to take my bike for a ride in my Hummer (it's a 2, so it's OK). --ac Seriously, though, are there really two camps? Are there real issues between them? turtle wrote: >Boston Critical Mass wrote: > > >>frufru? What, a schism between recreational and transportational? Is >>this like naderite progresives vs ABB progressives? >>--ac >> >> > >Yep! :-) > >It's similar to the schism between the SUV types and the Toyota Prius >types... > >Turtle >what's an ABB progressive? Oh, I think I get it, Anybody But Bush? >_______________________________________________ >Boston Critical Mass mailing list >list@bostoncriticalmass.org >http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list > > > --------------080408070000050800030600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
So I assume you're the Prius and I'm the SUV.  So much for my bonafides. Harumph. What about those who are both transportational and recreational riders?  Hybrid SUV's?  Protest Non-voters? 

Hey, the sun came out. I'm going to take my bike for a ride in my Hummer  (it's a 2, so it's OK).

--ac

Seriously, though, are there really two camps?  Are there real issues between them?

turtle wrote: 
Boston Critical Mass <list@bostoncriticalmass.org> wrote: 
  
frufru?  What, a schism between recreational and transportational?  Is 
this like naderite progresives vs ABB progressives? 
--ac
    

Yep!  :-)

It's similar to the schism between the SUV types and the Toyota Prius
types...

Turtle
what's an ABB progressive?  Oh, I think I get it, Anybody But Bush?
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--------------080408070000050800030600-- From adam@bostoncoop.net Tue Jul 20 12:57:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: by bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2B58213349; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:57:42 -0400 From: Adam Rosi-Kessel To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org Message-ID: <20040720165742.GB13215@bostoncoop.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040523i Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] OT: MBTA Random Search Reporting Phone Number X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:57:42 -0000 A little bit off topic, but not *too* off topic. Please pass on the word. ----- Forwarded message from Jason Smith ----- From: Jason Smith Subject: MBTA Random Search - Reporting Phone Number Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:34:44 -0400 To: "Jason Smith, MTS, JD" I hope my email finds everyone well. Apologies for the mass email. As you may know, the MBTA will be instituting a policy of random searches this week that will become standard policy on the T past the DNC. The National Lawyers Guild will be tracking instances of searches as part of its efforts to stop these practices. If you are searched or witness searches taking place, please call: 617-497-0175 Leave the following information: Location, e.g. Park Street Station Time of day Method of search, e.g. dogs, wands, etc. This line is not staffed but will be checked frequently. If you are searched and/or arrested, please call the National Lawyers Guild Police Accountability Project at 617-227-6015. Please forward. Thanks, Jason ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Adam Rosi-Kessel http://adam.rosi-kessel.org From dbx@pobox.com Tue Jul 20 13:02:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB2D132E9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-159-106.c3-0.smr-ubr3.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com ([209.6.159.106] helo=[192.168.0.69]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1Bmy0i-00011D-00 for list@bostoncriticalmass.org; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:02:36 -0400 Message-ID: <40FD5023.7020503@pobox.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:02:27 -0400 From: Dan Barrett User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (X11/20040623) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boston Critical Mass Subject: Re: [*BCM*] OT: MBTA Random Search Reporting Phone Number References: <20040720165742.GB13215@bostoncoop.net> In-Reply-To: <20040720165742.GB13215@bostoncoop.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.84.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:02:37 -0000 Folks, The ACLU of Massachusetts is collecting this info, as well -- if you've been searched, you can fill out their online form: http://www.aclu-mass.org/mbta/search_form.asp Best, d. From rawillis3@juno.com Tue Jul 20 13:09:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from m09.lax.untd.com (m09.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.72]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CBBA6132E9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:09:53 -0400 (EDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: 37IoItTkUnDYkYSV4t94wESjUlY3bB4xhQuOHsDth1qip5hwJChbvw== Received: (from rawillis3@juno.com) by m09.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J2ZFHYBF; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:09:17 PDT To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:04:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Frufru? Message-ID: <20040720.120434.-375561.7.rawillis3@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-5,11-12 From: russell a willis iii Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:09:54 -0000 On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:13:44 -0400 Arthur writes: > What, a schism between recreational and transportational? Is this like naderite progresives vs ABB progressives? -- I do not know about the rest of the world, but we certainly have this schism in St. Louis -- and it is more like Naderites (or even further left) versus skinheads. As a board member of the St. Louis Regional Bicycle Federation -- which has taken great pains to include massers and racers and points between in its membership and on its board -- sometimes I almost despair. rawillis3@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From turtle@zworg.com Tue Jul 20 13:15:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from vw.zworg.com (vw.zworg.com [207.36.180.93]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268FD132FF for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7422 invoked by uid 502); 20 Jul 2004 17:15:22 -0000 To: "Boston Critical Mass" Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Frufru? From: "turtle" Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:15:22 -0700 Message-id: <6930.1090343722@zworg.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:15:30 -0000 Boston Critical Mass wrote: > So I assume you're the Prius and I'm the SUV. Well... I don't even want the Prius! So much for my bonafides. Hey, to each his or her own, right? > Harumph. What about those who are both transportational and recreational > riders? No one said you have to pick one or the other. I just meant that not all bicyclists are alike. The TAB's editorialist seemed to do the usual thing of lumping all bicyclists into one camp. Bicyclists are just as diverse as motorists are. Hybrid SUV's? Protest Non-voters? Sure! The more variety the merrier! > Hey, the sun came out. I'm going to take my bike for a ride in my > Hummer (it's a 2, so it's OK). Hey, it's a free country (or at least it was before the Patriot Acts...) And I'm sure Dubya will be mighty grateful for the $2.00 a gallon donation to his oil buddies. > Seriously, though, are there really two camps? Are there real issues > between them? More than two! And there are definitely major disagreements among the groups. Some folks want to be seperated from other types of traffic, some think that bicyclists should have more rights to the road than other users, some want everyone to be treated equally, and some just like to kick cars. Heck, even in the higher eschalons of the esteemed MassBike organization, there are at least three different opinions about what to do to promote biking in the State. Oh, and just for the record, I have nothing against $5000 bikes. I just think they are silly. My husband has one that he never rides. While his cheap, 20 year old bike is used nearly every day. I say, what's the point of spending $5000 if you can't use the damn thing? Think of all the starving shildren in China with no bikes! :-) -Turtle of the "equality" camp From lfpeters@eltonhamptonarchitects.com Tue Jul 20 13:17:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from eltonhamptonarchitects.com (capehatteras.lhhost.com [63.87.227.162]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875BF13365 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PETERS [141.154.37.77] by eltonhamptonarchitects.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.12) id A56B1CDC00FA; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:24:59 -0400 From: "Lee Peters" To: "'Boston Critical Mass'" Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:19:26 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c46e7d$b5367970$6c02a8c0@PETERS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <20040720165742.GB13215@bostoncoop.net> Importance: Normal X-mxGuard-Info: Processed by capehatteras.lhhost.com using mxGuard v1.4.0 X-mxGuard-Spool-ID: 556b1cdc00fa52d6 X-mxGuard-Auth-Sender: lfpeters@eltonhamptonarchitects@eltonhamptonarchitects.com X-mxGuard-Spam-Score: 0 Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] Number X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:17:38 -0000 I wish this guy would ride with us. http://www.sidewaysbike.com/ From dabbotthammond@comcast.net Tue Jul 20 13:18:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064FA132FF for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hppav (h00e018c6cb30.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.88.80]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20040720171856015003qsh9e>; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:18:56 +0000 Message-ID: <002301c46e7e$7683cba0$50581f42@ne2.client2.attbi.com> From: "David Hammond" To: "Boston Critical Mass" References: <23840.1090337266@zworg.com> <40FD44B8.5020509@rcn.com> Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Frufru? Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:24:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C46E5C.EEA12000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:18:58 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C46E5C.EEA12000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are actually four camps -=20 The Lycrazoids, who ride expensive, skinny-tired DF road bikes, and = whose riding position naturally predisposes them to look down their = noses;=20 The Dirt Stoners, who careen down ski slopes on expensive, anorexic = motorcycles with pedals, with Long Island Ice Tea in their camelbacks, = and who worry about crashing, but not while on their bikes;=20 The Bents, who lean back, put their feet up, and ride a few miles to = their next pee stop on their beach-chairs-on-wheels. The Bents = typically wear too-tight jeans and a tee-shirt signed by Brad Delp from = Boston's 1981 tour, and only get injured when their beards get caught in = the one of the bike's 5 or 6 chain tensioners. =20 Then there's the Electric Assist crowd, the Lead-Acids (asses), = overweight retired electronics engineers with black tape on their = bifocals and turn signals mounted on the backs of their helmets. =20 Each camp disrespects the other three -=20 "Hey, do those pants come with a studded dog collar?" "Dude, that buzzing's your Psychos slapping asphalt, not your nerves = saying 'it's Miller Time'." "Hey, man, I thought wheelchairs had their wheels side-by-side!" "Yo, dude, THAT'S CHEATING!!" (usually shouted by the passenger in a = Lincoln Navigator with a couple of +$3,000.00 bikes racked on the = back....) and each camp thinks they're god's gift to the world of transportation. Let's bring all four camps under one big strong tent before each camp = gets flooded out by the rain of corporate bull-puckey emanating from = Washington. Dave Hammond ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Arthur=20 To: Boston Critical Mass=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Frufru? So I assume you're the Prius and I'm the SUV. So much for my = bonafides. Harumph. What about those who are both transportational and = recreational riders? Hybrid SUV's? Protest Non-voters? =20 Hey, the sun came out. I'm going to take my bike for a ride in my = Hummer (it's a 2, so it's OK). --ac=20 Seriously, though, are there really two camps? Are there real issues = between them? turtle wrote:=20 Boston Critical Mass wrote:=20 frufru? What, a schism between recreational and transportational? Is = this like naderite progresives vs ABB progressives?=20 --ac =20 Yep! :-) It's similar to the schism between the SUV types and the Toyota Prius types... Turtle what's an ABB progressive? Oh, I think I get it, Anybody But Bush? _______________________________________________ Boston Critical Mass mailing list list@bostoncriticalmass.org http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Boston Critical Mass mailing list list@bostoncriticalmass.org http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C46E5C.EEA12000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There are actually four camps - =
 
The Lycrazoids, who ride expensive, = skinny-tired DF=20 road bikes, and whose riding position naturally predisposes them to look = down=20 their noses;
 
The Dirt Stoners, who careen down ski = slopes on=20 expensive, anorexic motorcycles with pedals, with Long Island Ice Tea in = their=20 camelbacks, and who worry about crashing, but not while on their bikes;=20
 
The Bents, who lean back, put their = feet up, and=20 ride a few miles to their next pee stop on their=20 beach-chairs-on-wheels.  The Bents typically wear too-tight jeans = and a=20 tee-shirt signed by Brad Delp from Boston's 1981 tour, and only get = injured when=20 their beards get caught in the one of the bike's 5 or 6 chain = tensioners. =20
 
Then there's the Electric Assist crowd, = the=20 Lead-Acids (asses), overweight retired electronics engineers with black = tape on=20 their bifocals and turn signals mounted on the backs of their = helmets. =20
 
Each camp disrespects the other three - =
 
"Hey, do those pants come with a = studded dog=20 collar?"
 
"Dude, that buzzing's your Psychos = slapping=20 asphalt, not your nerves saying 'it's Miller Time'."
 
"Hey, man, I thought wheelchairs had = their wheels=20 side-by-side!"
 
"Yo, dude, THAT'S CHEATING!!"  = (usually=20 shouted by the passenger in a Lincoln Navigator with a couple of = +$3,000.00=20 bikes racked on the back....)
 
and each camp thinks they're god's gift = to the=20 world of transportation.
 
Let's bring all four camps under one = big strong=20 tent before each camp gets flooded out by the rain of corporate = bull-puckey=20 emanating from Washington.
 
Dave Hammond
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Arthur
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 = 12:13=20 PM
Subject: Re: [*BCM*] = Frufru?


So I assume you're the Prius and I'm the = SUV. =20 So much for my bonafides. Harumph. What about those who are both=20 transportational and recreational riders?  Hybrid SUV's?  = Protest=20 Non-voters? 

Hey, the sun came out. I'm going to take my = bike for=20 a ride in my Hummer  (it's a 2, so it's OK).

--ac=20

Seriously, though, are there really two camps?  Are = there=20 real issues between them?

turtle wrote:=20 
Boston Critical Mass <list@bostoncriticalmass.o=
rg> wrote:=20
  
frufru?  What, a schism =
between recreational and transportational?  Is=20
this like naderite progresives vs ABB progressives?=20
--ac
    

Yep!  :-)

It's similar to the schism between the SUV types and the Toyota Prius
types...

Turtle
what's an ABB progressive?  Oh, I think I get it, Anybody But Bush?
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>From: Adam Rosi-Kessel <adam@rosi-kessel.org>
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>On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 01:19:26PM -0400, Lee Peters wrote:
> > I wish this guy would ride with us.
> > http://www.sidewaysbike.com/
>
>Maybe you should try emailing him?
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>To: Boston Critical Mass <list@bostoncriticalmass.org> >
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>Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:50:41 -0400 >
> >
>On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 01:19:26PM -0400, Lee Peters wrote: >
> > I wish this guy would ride with us. >
> > http://www.sidewaysbike.com/ >
> >
>Maybe you should try emailing him? >
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Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > _______________________________________________ > Boston Critical Mass mailing list > list@bostoncriticalmass.org > http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list -- Adam Rosi-Kessel http://adam.rosi-kessel.org From arthursc@rcn.com Tue Jul 20 21:33:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FBA132E9 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-124-68.c3-0.nwt-ubr1.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com ([209.6.124.68]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1Bn5yj-0005b5-00 for list@bostoncriticalmass.org; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:33:05 -0400 Message-ID: <40FDC81C.8@rcn.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:34:20 -0400 From: Arthur User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boston Critical Mass Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Frufru? References: <23840.1090337266@zworg.com> <40FD44B8.5020509@rcn.com> <002301c46e7e$7683cba0$50581f42@ne2.client2.attbi.com> In-Reply-To: <002301c46e7e$7683cba0$50581f42@ne2.client2.attbi.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050805010308070009080004" Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 01:33:07 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050805010308070009080004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yikes. I'm staying out of it. I don't even agree with myself a lot of the time. --Arthur David Hammond wrote: > There are actually four camps - > > The Lycrazoids, who ride expensive, skinny-tired DF road bikes, and > whose riding position naturally predisposes them to look down their > noses; > > The Dirt Stoners, who careen down ski slopes on expensive, anorexic > motorcycles with pedals, with Long Island Ice Tea in their camelbacks, > and who worry about crashing, but not while on their bikes; > > The Bents, who lean back, put their feet up, and ride a few miles to > their next pee stop on their beach-chairs-on-wheels. The Bents > typically wear too-tight jeans and a tee-shirt signed by Brad Delp > from Boston's 1981 tour, and only get injured when their beards get > caught in the one of the bike's 5 or 6 chain tensioners. > > Then there's the Electric Assist crowd, the Lead-Acids (asses), > overweight retired electronics engineers with black tape on their > bifocals and turn signals mounted on the backs of their helmets. > > Each camp disrespects the other three - > > "Hey, do those pants come with a studded dog collar?" > > "Dude, that buzzing's your Psychos slapping asphalt, not your nerves > saying 'it's Miller Time'." > > "Hey, man, I thought wheelchairs had their wheels side-by-side!" > > "Yo, dude, THAT'S CHEATING!!" (usually shouted by the passenger in a > Lincoln Navigator with a couple of +$3,000.00 bikes racked on the > back....) > > and each camp thinks they're god's gift to the world of transportation. > > Let's bring all four camps under one big strong tent before each camp > gets flooded out by the rain of corporate bull-puckey emanating from > Washington. > > Dave Hammond > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Arthur > *To:* Boston Critical Mass > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:13 PM > *Subject:* Re: [*BCM*] Frufru? > > > So I assume you're the Prius and I'm the SUV. So much for my > bonafides. Harumph. What about those who are both transportational > and recreational riders? Hybrid SUV's? Protest Non-voters? > > Hey, the sun came out. I'm going to take my bike for a ride in my > Hummer (it's a 2, so it's OK). > > --ac > > Seriously, though, are there really two camps? Are there real > issues between them? > > turtle wrote: > >>Boston Critical Mass wrote: >> >> >>>frufru? What, a schism between recreational and transportational? Is >>>this like naderite progresives vs ABB progressives? >>>--ac >>> >>> >> >>Yep! :-) >> >>It's similar to the schism between the SUV types and the Toyota Prius >>types... >> >>Turtle >>what's an ABB progressive? 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Yikes. I'm staying out of it.  I don't even agree with myself a lot of the time.
--Arthur


David Hammond wrote:
There are actually four camps -
 
The Lycrazoids, who ride expensive, skinny-tired DF road bikes, and whose riding position naturally predisposes them to look down their noses;
 
The Dirt Stoners, who careen down ski slopes on expensive, anorexic motorcycles with pedals, with Long Island Ice Tea in their camelbacks, and who worry about crashing, but not while on their bikes;
 
The Bents, who lean back, put their feet up, and ride a few miles to their next pee stop on their beach-chairs-on-wheels.  The Bents typically wear too-tight jeans and a tee-shirt signed by Brad Delp from Boston's 1981 tour, and only get injured when their beards get caught in the one of the bike's 5 or 6 chain tensioners. 
 
Then there's the Electric Assist crowd, the Lead-Acids (asses), overweight retired electronics engineers with black tape on their bifocals and turn signals mounted on the backs of their helmets. 
 
Each camp disrespects the other three -
 
"Hey, do those pants come with a studded dog collar?"
 
"Dude, that buzzing's your Psychos slapping asphalt, not your nerves saying 'it's Miller Time'."
 
"Hey, man, I thought wheelchairs had their wheels side-by-side!"
 
"Yo, dude, THAT'S CHEATING!!"  (usually shouted by the passenger in a Lincoln Navigator with a couple of +$3,000.00 bikes racked on the back....)
 
and each camp thinks they're god's gift to the world of transportation.
 
Let's bring all four camps under one big strong tent before each camp gets flooded out by the rain of corporate bull-puckey emanating from Washington.
 
Dave Hammond
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Arthur
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Frufru?


So I assume you're the Prius and I'm the SUV.  So much for my bonafides. Harumph. What about those who are both transportational and recreational riders?  Hybrid SUV's?  Protest Non-voters? 

Hey, the sun came out. I'm going to take my bike for a ride in my Hummer  (it's a 2, so it's OK).

--ac

Seriously, though, are there really two camps?  Are there real issues between them?

turtle wrote: 
Boston Critical Mass <list@bostoncriticalmass.org> wrote: 
  
frufru?  What, a schism between recreational and transportational?  Is 
this like naderite progresives vs ABB progressives? 
--ac
    

Yep!  :-)

It's similar to the schism between the SUV types and the Toyota Prius
types...

Turtle
what's an ABB progressive?  Oh, I think I get it, Anybody But Bush?
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--------------050805010308070009080004-- From TSmith4918@aol.com Wed Jul 21 08:58:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FDB13355 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TSmith4918@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id a.78.5c1df110 (14374) for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:58:52 -0400 (EDT) From: TSmith4918@aol.com Message-ID: <78.5c1df110.2e2fc28c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:58:52 EDT To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1090414732" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5112 Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] Re: Interp needed X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:58:56 -0000 -------------------------------1090414732 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sign at the signaled intersection of Cabot and Centre streets in Newton: "Bicycle stop at line for green" with an image of a bike with a dotted line below it... (does this mean stop at the red light? wait for the green?) maybe I should ask the TAB guy... -------------------------------1090414732 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sign at the signaled intersection of Cabot and Centre streets in Newton= :
 
"Bicycle stop at line for green" with an image of a bike with a dotted=20= line below it...
(does this mean stop at the red light? wait for the green?)  maybe= I should ask the TAB guy...
 
 
-------------------------------1090414732-- From turtle@zworg.com Wed Jul 21 09:09:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from vw.zworg.com (vw.zworg.com [207.36.180.93]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 602D113391 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8024 invoked by uid 502); 21 Jul 2004 13:09:27 -0000 To: "Boston Critical Mass" Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Re: Interp needed From: "turtle" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 06:09:27 -0700 Message-id: <6185.1090415367@zworg.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:09:40 -0000 > Sign at the signaled intersection of Cabot and Centre streets in Newton: > > "Bicycle stop at line for green" with an image of a bike with a dotted line > below it... That would mean that bicyclists need to stop behind the indicated line for a red light to turn green. Look for the cutouts in the pavement, indicating where the "trip wire" (actually a magnetic sensor) is. These sensors are supposed to be sensitive enough to be triggered by a bicycle, though they are occasionally set improperly. If the green light doesn't trigger for you after 60 seconds or so, it may be malfunctioning. Let your local DPW know about it. -Turtle From TSmith4918@aol.com Wed Jul 21 09:12:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566EC1339E for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TSmith4918@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id a.102.4a5e07ae (14374) for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:11:57 -0400 (EDT) From: TSmith4918@aol.com Message-ID: <102.4a5e07ae.2e2fc59d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:11:57 EDT Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Re: Interp needed To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1090415517" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5112 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:12:01 -0000 -------------------------------1090415517 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/21/2004 9:10:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, turtle@zworg.com writes: That would mean that bicyclists need to stop behind the indicated line for a red light to turn green. Look for the cutouts in the pavement, indicating where the "trip wire" (actually a magnetic sensor) is. These sensors are supposed to be sensitive enough to be triggered by a bicycle, though they are occasionally set improperly. If the green light doesn't trigger for you after 60 seconds or so, it may be malfunctioning. Let your local DPW know about it. -Turtle hopefully, it'll trip for them frufru riders as well ;-) thanks -------------------------------1090415517 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 7/21/2004 9:10:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, turtle@z= worg.com writes:
That would mean that bicyclists need to stop b= ehind the indicated line
for a red light to turn green.  Look for th= e cutouts in the pavement,
indicating where the "trip wire" (actually a m= agnetic sensor) is.
These sensors are supposed to be sensitive enough to= be triggered by a
bicycle, though they are occasionally set improperly.&= nbsp; If the green
light doesn't trigger for you after 60 seconds or so,=20= it may be
malfunctioning.  Let your local DPW know about it.

= -Turtle
hopefully, it'll trip for them frufru riders as well ;-)
thanks
-------------------------------1090415517-- From rachelwandrei@hotmail.com Wed Jul 21 11:10:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f48.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.48]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E9113391 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:10:24 -0700 Received: from 206.34.127.3 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:10:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [206.34.127.3] X-Originating-Email: [rachelwandrei@hotmail.com] X-Sender: rachelwandrei@hotmail.com From: "Rachel Wandrei" To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:10:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2004 15:10:24.0047 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8DB9BF0:01C46F34] Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] Sideways Bike Guy X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:10:25 -0000 Hmmm, I see him having coffee at Espresso Royale on Gainsborough fairly often...next time I'll tell him he has fans and invite him to ride. The bikes look absurdly dangerous to me, but his riding is extremely graceful. Pretty spiffy. Fraidy Cat >From: Adam Rosi-Kessel >Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass >To: Boston Critical Mass >Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Number >Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:50:41 -0400 > >On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 01:19:26PM -0400, Lee Peters wrote: > > I wish this guy would ride with us. > > http://www.sidewaysbike.com/ > >Maybe you should try emailing him? >-- >Adam Rosi-Kessel >http://adam.rosi-kessel.org >_______________________________________________ >Boston Critical Mass mailing list >list@bostoncriticalmass.org >http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From rnewman@thecia.net Thu Jul 22 03:43:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98194132E9 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 03:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.7.197.254] ([207.7.197.254]) by smtp.thecia.net; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 03:43:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org, bostoncriticalmass@topica.com From: Ron Newman Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 03:43:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] Biking from Somerville to Boston during the DNC X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:43:25 -0000 I've mapped out a pleasant, mostly low-traffic, mostly flat bicycle commuting route from Davis Square to downtown Boston, which may be useful to other people during the DNC: http://web.newsguy.com/rnewman/dncbike/ The page has four maps as well as turn-by-turn directions, so it may take a little time to fully load. From jym@econet.org Thu Jul 22 10:02:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from wild.things.org (wild.things.org [69.17.45.146]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7310C13302 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wild.things.org (Postfix, from userid 108) id F21573C1EB; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:55:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Jym Dyer To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Biking from Somerville to Boston during the DNC In-reply-to: Ron Newman's message of "Thu, 22 Jul 2004 03:43:13 EDT." References: Message-ID: Organization: NYC vs RNC Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org, Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:02:54 -0000 > http://web.newsguy.com/rnewman/dncbike/ =v= You are a national treasure. <_Jym_> From lfpeters@eltonhamptonarchitects.com Fri Jul 23 08:46:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from eltonhamptonarchitects.com (capehatteras.lhhost.com [63.87.227.162]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A5713345 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PETERS [141.154.37.77] by eltonhamptonarchitects.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.12) id A94B3E4C0042; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:49:15 -0400 From: "Lee Peters" To: "'Boston Critical Mass'" Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:48:50 -0400 Message-ID: <001b01c470b3$67145860$6c02a8c0@PETERS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-mxGuard-Info: Processed by capehatteras.lhhost.com using mxGuard v1.4.0 X-mxGuard-Spool-ID: 094b3e4c004205c8 X-mxGuard-Auth-Sender: lfpeters@eltonhamptonarchitects@eltonhamptonarchitects.com X-mxGuard-Spam-Score: 0 Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] This is sweet! X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:46:57 -0000 >From today's editorials in the Globe: THE HYSTERIA about transportation problems during the convention can be addressed through a simple and effective means. The very same remedy can simultaneously address our anxieties about our dependence on foreign oil, the funding of terrorists with the profits from that oil, our national epidemic of heart disease and diabetes, our concerns about the quality of our air and the integrity of the ozone layer, even our obsessive fixation on weight loss. Fellow citizens, get on your bicycles! TRACY MACNAB Newton From goannego@yahoo.com Fri Jul 23 08:51:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from web51508.mail.yahoo.com (web51508.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.200]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AF0CB13302 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20040723125121.83354.qmail@web51508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.251.11.62] by web51508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 05:51:21 PDT Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 05:51:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Anne Wolfe Subject: Re: [*BCM*] This is sweet! To: Boston Critical Mass In-Reply-To: <001b01c470b3$67145860$6c02a8c0@PETERS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1425445593-1090587081=:83242" Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: goannego@yahoo.com, Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:51:21 -0000 --0-1425445593-1090587081=:83242 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Damn, if I had a better address, I'd send that woman flowers. Lee Peters wrote:>From today's editorials in the Globe: THE HYSTERIA about transportation problems during the convention can be addressed through a simple and effective means. The very same remedy can simultaneously address our anxieties about our dependence on foreign oil, the funding of terrorists with the profits from that oil, our national epidemic of heart disease and diabetes, our concerns about the quality of our air and the integrity of the ozone layer, even our obsessive fixation on weight loss. Fellow citizens, get on your bicycles! TRACY MACNAB Newton _______________________________________________ Boston Critical Mass mailing list list@bostoncriticalmass.org http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list "If Beethoven had been killed in a plane crash at the age of 22, it would have changed the history of music...and of aviation." --Tom Stoppard --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! --0-1425445593-1090587081=:83242 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Damn, if I had a better address, I'd send that woman flowers.

Lee Peters <lfpeters@eltonhamptonarchitects.com> wrote:
>From today's editorials in the Globe:


THE HYSTERIA about transportation problems during the convention can be
addressed through a simple and effective means. The very same remedy can
simultaneously address our anxieties about our dependence on foreign
oil, the funding of terrorists with the profits from that oil, our
national epidemic of heart disease and diabetes, our concerns about the
quality of our air and the integrity of the ozone layer, even our
obsessive fixation on weight loss.

Fellow citizens, get on your bicycles!

TRACY MACNAB
Newton

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Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! --0-1425445593-1090587081=:83242-- From p.schimek@comcast.net Fri Jul 23 09:33:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7184513355 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 204.127.205.149 ([204.127.205.149]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <200407231333420110070vsme>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:33:42 +0000 Received: from [141.154.107.94] by 204.127.205.149; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:33:40 +0000 From: p.schimek@comcast.net To: goannego@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [*BCM*] This is sweet! Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:33:40 +0000 Message-Id: <072320041333.7222.410113B400019CF000001C362200758942050A0307080C9CD29F@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 24 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: cC5zY2hpbWVrQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7222_1090589620_0" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:19:37 -0400 Cc: list@bostoncriticalmass.org X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:33:43 -0000 --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7222_1090589620_0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7222_1090589620_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7222_1090589620_1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit R. Tracy MacNab, PhD, CGP Marino Center Cambridge 2500 Massachusetts Avenue 02140 I'm sure Dr. MacNab will love your flowers. http://marinocenter.org/staff_cambridge.htm#macnab --Paul -------------- Original message -------------- Damn, if I had a better address, I'd send that woman flowers. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7222_1090589620_1 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

R. Tracy MacNab, PhD, CGP
Marino Center Cambridge
2500 Massachusetts Avenue 02140

I'm sure Dr. MacNab will love your flowers.

http://marinocenter.org/staff_cambridge.htm#macnab

--Paul

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Damn, if I had a better address, I'd send that woman flowers.

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7222_1090589620_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7222_1090589620_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: Anne Wolfe To: Boston Critical Mass Cc: Subject: Re: [*BCM*] This is sweet! Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:51:23 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7222_1090589620_2" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7222_1090589620_2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Boston Critical Mass mailing list list@bostoncriticalmass.org http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7222_1090589620_2-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7222_1090589620_0-- From dabbotthammond@comcast.net Fri Jul 23 09:34:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830A613355 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hppav (h00e018c6cb30.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.88.80]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <200407231334130110070je5e>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:34:14 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c470ba$93187ca0$50581f42@ne2.client2.attbi.com> From: "David Hammond" To: , "Boston Critical Mass" References: <20040723125121.83354.qmail@web51508.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [*BCM*] This is sweet! Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:40:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C47099.0BC3B920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:34:14 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C47099.0BC3B920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Concerns? What concerns? You want concerns, I'll give you concerns - the = Bachelor's in re-runs and Outback Jack isn't getting any. Gotta go - WWF Smackdown is starting.... Joe & Josephine Sixpack ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Anne Wolfe=20 To: Boston Critical Mass=20 Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [*BCM*] This is sweet! Damn, if I had a better address, I'd send that woman flowers. Lee Peters wrote:=20 >From today's editorials in the Globe: THE HYSTERIA about transportation problems during the convention can = be addressed through a simple and effective means. The very same remedy = can simultaneously address our anxieties about our dependence on foreign oil, the funding of terrorists with the profits from that oil, our national epidemic of heart disease and diabetes, our concerns about = the quality of our air and the integrity of the ozone layer, even our obsessive fixation on weight loss. Fellow citizens, get on your bicycles! TRACY MACNAB Newton _______________________________________________ Boston Critical Mass mailing list list@bostoncriticalmass.org http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list "If Beethoven had been killed in a plane crash at the age of 22, it = would have changed the history of music...and of aviation." --Tom = Stoppard =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Boston Critical Mass mailing list list@bostoncriticalmass.org http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C47099.0BC3B920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Concerns? What concerns? You want = concerns, I'll=20 give you concerns - the Bachelor's in re-runs and Outback Jack isn't = getting=20 any.
 
Gotta go - WWF Smackdown is=20 starting....
 
Joe & Josephine = Sixpack
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Anne = Wolfe=20
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 = 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [*BCM*] This is = sweet!

Damn, if I had a better address, I'd send that woman=20 flowers.

Lee Peters <lfpeters@eltonhampton= architects.com>=20 wrote:=20
>From=20 today's editorials in the Globe:


THE HYSTERIA about=20 transportation problems during the convention can be
addressed = through a=20 simple and effective means. The very same remedy = can
simultaneously=20 address our anxieties about our dependence on foreign
oil, the = funding of=20 terrorists with the profits from that oil, our
national epidemic = of heart=20 disease and diabetes, our concerns about the
quality of our air = and the=20 integrity of the ozone layer, even our
obsessive fixation on = weight=20 loss.

Fellow citizens, get on your bicycles!

TRACY=20 = MACNAB
Newton

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list@bostoncriticalmass.org
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"If =
Beethoven had been killed in a plane crash at the age of 22, it would =
have changed the history of music...and of aviation." --Tom =
Stoppard
 
 =
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http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list= ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C47099.0BC3B920-- From goannego@yahoo.com Fri Jul 23 09:42:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from web51502.mail.yahoo.com (web51502.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.194]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4CDC313355 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20040723134159.63348.qmail@web51502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.251.11.62] by web51502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 06:41:59 PDT Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 06:41:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Anne Wolfe Subject: Re: [*BCM*] This is sweet! To: p.schimek@comcast.net, list@bostoncriticalmass.org In-Reply-To: <072320041333.7222.410113B400019CF000001C362200758942050A0307080C9CD29F@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1581825162-1090590119=:63134" Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: goannego@yahoo.com, Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:42:00 -0000 --0-1581825162-1090590119=:63134 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Right, I'm talking to the florist. Or is this just too freaking weird/stalkerish? I"m tempted to sign the thing from BCM. Anyone else want to come in on this with me? p.schimek@comcast.net wrote: R. Tracy MacNab, PhD, CGP Marino Center Cambridge 2500 Massachusetts Avenue 02140 I'm sure Dr. MacNab will love your flowers. http://marinocenter.org/staff_cambridge.htm#macnab --Paul -------------- Original message -------------- Damn, if I had a better address, I'd send that woman flowers. > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 From: Anne Wolfe To: Boston Critical Mass CC: Subject: Re: [*BCM*] This is sweet! Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:51:23 +0000 _______________________________________________ Boston Critical Mass mailing list list@bostoncriticalmass.org http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list "If Beethoven had been killed in a plane crash at the age of 22, it would have changed the history of music...and of aviation." --Tom Stoppard --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! --0-1581825162-1090590119=:63134 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Right, I'm talking to the florist.  Or is this just too freaking weird/stalkerish?
I"m tempted to sign the thing from BCM.  Anyone else want to come in on this with me?

p.schimek@comcast.net wrote:

R. Tracy MacNab, PhD, CGP
Marino Center Cambridge
2500 Massachusetts Avenue 02140

I'm sure Dr. MacNab will love your flowers.

http://marinocenter.org/staff_cambridge.htm#macnab

--Paul

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Damn, if I had a better address, I'd send that woman flowers.



> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822
From: Anne Wolfe
To: Boston Critical Mass
CC:
Subject: Re: [*BCM*] This is sweet!
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:51:23 +0000

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Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! --0-1581825162-1090590119=:63134-- From lfpeters@eltonhamptonarchitects.com Fri Jul 23 09:47:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from eltonhamptonarchitects.com (capehatteras.lhhost.com [63.87.227.162]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B8A13355 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PETERS [141.154.37.77] by eltonhamptonarchitects.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.12) id A76D3DF900F6; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:49:33 -0400 From: "Lee Peters" To: , "'Boston Critical Mass'" Subject: RE: [*BCM*] This is sweet! Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:48:56 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c470bb$ccd9fd50$6c02a8c0@PETERS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C4709A.45C85D50" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <20040723134159.63348.qmail@web51502.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-mxGuard-Info: Processed by capehatteras.lhhost.com using mxGuard v1.4.0 X-mxGuard-Spool-ID: 176d3df900f6933d X-mxGuard-Auth-Sender: lfpeters@eltonhamptonarchitects@eltonhamptonarchitects.com X-mxGuard-Spam-Score: 0 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:47:04 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C4709A.45C85D50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll give you a couple bucks at the ride. I'm the guy on the bike. Ps. Black bike, orange helmet, goatee, dorky glasses. -----Original Message----- From: bostoncriticalmass-bounces@bostoncriticalmass.org [mailto:bostoncriticalmass-bounces@bostoncriticalmass.org] On Behalf Of Anne Wolfe Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 9:42 AM To: p.schimek@comcast.net; list@bostoncriticalmass.org Subject: Re: [*BCM*] This is sweet! Right, I'm talking to the florist. Or is this just too freaking weird/stalkerish? I"m tempted to sign the thing from BCM. Anyone else want to come in on this with me? p.schimek@comcast.net wrote: R. Tracy MacNab, PhD, CGP Marino Center Cambridge 2500 Massachusetts Avenue 02140 I'm sure Dr. MacNab will love your flowers. http://marinocenter.org/staff_cambridge.htm#macnab --Paul -------------- Original message -------------- Damn, if I had a better address, I'd send that woman flowers. > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 From: Anne Wolfe To: Boston Critical Mass CC: Subject: Re: [*BCM*] This is sweet! Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:51:23 +0000 _______________________________________________ Boston Critical Mass mailing list list@bostoncriticalmass.org http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list "If Beethoven had been killed in a plane crash at the age of 22, it would have changed the history of music...and of aviation." --Tom Stoppard _____ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C4709A.45C85D50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’ll give you a couple bucks = at the ride.  I’m the guy on the bike.

 

 

 

 

 

Ps. Black bike, orange helmet, = goatee, dorky glasses.

 

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: bostoncriticalmass-bounces@bostoncriticalmass.org = [mailto:bostoncriticalmass-bounces@bostoncriticalmass.org] On Behalf Of Anne = Wolfe
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 9:42 = AM
To: = p.schimek@comcast.net; list@bostoncriticalmass.org
Subject: Re: [*BCM*] This = is sweet!

 

Right, I'm talking to the florist.  Or = is this just too freaking weird/stalkerish?

I"m tempted to sign the thing from = BCM.  Anyone else want to come in on this with me?

p.schimek@comcast.net= wrote:

R. Tracy MacNab, PhD, = CGP
Marino Center Cambridge
2500 Massachusetts Avenue 02140

I'm sure Dr. MacNab will love your = flowers.

http://marinocenter.org/staff_cambridge.htm#m= acnab

--Paul

-------------- Original message = --------------

Damn, if I had a better address, I'd send that woman = flowers.



> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822
From: Anne Wolfe
To: Boston Critical Mass
CC:
Subject: Re: [*BCM*] This is sweet!
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:51:23 +0000

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"If Beethoven had been =
killed in a plane crash at the age of 22, it would have changed the =
history of music...and of aviation." --Tom =
Stoppard
 
 

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In a message dated 7/23/2004 9:48:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, lfpeters= @eltonhamptonarchitects.com writes:

I=E2=80=99ll give you=20= a couple bucks at the ride.  I=E2=80=99m the guy on the bike.

 

 

 

 

 

Ps. Black bike, orange= helmet, goatee, dorky glasses.

anne, I can vouch for lee as a heckuva nice guy who is good for th= e couple of bucks...
is the ride next Friday? same bat channel and time?
-------------------------------1090591605-- From adam@bostoncoop.net Fri Jul 23 10:27:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: by bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 77BEB1336C; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:27:21 -0400 From: Adam Rosi-Kessel To: Boston Critical Mass Subject: Re: [*BCM*] This is sweet! Message-ID: <20040723142721.GB32386@bostoncoop.net> References: <001b01c470b3$67145860$6c02a8c0@PETERS> <20040723125121.83354.qmail@web51508.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040723125121.83354.qmail@web51508.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040523i Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:27:21 -0000 On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 05:51:21AM -0700, Anne Wolfe wrote: > Damn, if I had a better address, I'd send that woman flowers. Apparently "that man." -- Adam Rosi-Kessel http://adam.rosi-kessel.org From goannego@yahoo.com Fri Jul 23 11:30:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: from web51507.mail.yahoo.com (web51507.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.199]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 864FD13356 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20040723153021.74556.qmail@web51507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.251.11.62] by web51507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:30:21 PDT Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:30:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Anne Wolfe Subject: Re: [*BCM*] This is sweet! To: Boston Critical Mass In-Reply-To: <20040723142721.GB32386@bostoncoop.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1620031591-1090596621=:73211" Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: goannego@yahoo.com, Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:30:21 -0000 --0-1620031591-1090596621=:73211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I did notice it was a man. In my experience, men love it when leggy chicks send them flowers. Anne Adam Rosi-Kessel wrote: On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 05:51:21AM -0700, Anne Wolfe wrote: > Damn, if I had a better address, I'd send that woman flowers. Apparently "that man." -- Adam Rosi-Kessel http://adam.rosi-kessel.org _______________________________________________ Boston Critical Mass mailing list list@bostoncriticalmass.org http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list "If Beethoven had been killed in a plane crash at the age of 22, it would have changed the history of music...and of aviation." --Tom Stoppard --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! --0-1620031591-1090596621=:73211 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I did notice it was a man.  In my experience, men love it when leggy chicks send them flowers.
Anne

Adam Rosi-Kessel <adam@rosi-kessel.org> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 05:51:21AM -0700, Anne Wolfe wrote:
> Damn, if I had a better address, I'd send that woman flowers.

Apparently "that man."
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New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! --0-1620031591-1090596621=:73211-- From lfpeters@eltonhamptonarchitects.com Fri Jul 23 15:13:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from eltonhamptonarchitects.com (capehatteras.lhhost.com [63.87.227.162]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AA01333E for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PETERS [141.154.37.77] by eltonhamptonarchitects.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.12) id A3C624AE0108; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:15:18 -0400 From: "Lee Peters" To: "'Boston Critical Mass'" Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:15:19 -0400 Message-ID: <005201c470e9$651b8610$6c02a8c0@PETERS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <20040723142721.GB32386@bostoncoop.net> Importance: Normal X-mxGuard-Info: Processed by capehatteras.lhhost.com using mxGuard v1.4.0 X-mxGuard-Spool-ID: 63c524ae01082385 X-mxGuard-Auth-Sender: lfpeters@eltonhamptonarchitects@eltonhamptonarchitects.com X-mxGuard-Spam-Score: 0 Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] This is not-sweet! X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:13:26 -0000 Update: This week's TAB, with our friend Dave-the-editor, doesn't include any responses to his article. There is another piece by him showing real sophistication, indeed. http://www2.townonline.com/allston/opinion/view.bg?articleid=48224 From jym@econet.org Sat Jul 24 08:49:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from wild.things.org (wild.things.org [69.17.45.146]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CEDA13349 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wild.things.org (Postfix, from userid 108) id 539FA3C1C7; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 05:41:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Jym Dyer To: Boston CM To: goannego@yahoo.com, Subject: Re: [*BCM*] This is sweet! In-reply-to: Anne Wolfe's message of "Fri, 23 Jul 2004 08:30:21 PDT." References: <20040723153021.74556.qmail@web51507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Organization: NYC vs RNC Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 05:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston CM , Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:49:42 -0000 > In my experience, men love it when leggy chicks send them > flowers. =v= Well, CM *is* "leggy," but I dunno whether "chick" applies. <_Jym_> From goannego@yahoo.com Sat Jul 24 12:49:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from web51501.mail.yahoo.com (web51501.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.193]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C00613349 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20040724164945.78749.qmail@web51501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.251.11.62] by web51501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:49:45 PDT Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:49:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Anne Wolfe To: Boston CM In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1640877711-1090687785=:78066" Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] More good biker news X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: goannego@yahoo.com, Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:49:46 -0000 --0-1640877711-1090687785=:78066 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2004/07/24/looking_for_an_angel/ "If Beethoven had been killed in a plane crash at the age of 22, it would have changed the history of music...and of aviation." --Tom Stoppard --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! --0-1640877711-1090687785=:78066 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii 

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Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! --0-1640877711-1090687785=:78066-- From alexanderkahn@comcast.net Sat Jul 24 17:11:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C0813349 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (h00a0c5e64923.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.30.14.234]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040724211117013002aiaue>; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:11:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alexander Kahn Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Biking from Somerville to Boston during the DNC Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:10:59 -0400 To: Boston Critical Mass X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:17:22 -0400 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:11:27 -0000 On Jul 22, 2004, at 3:43 AM, Ron Newman wrote: > I've mapped out a pleasant, mostly low-traffic, mostly flat bicycle > commuting route from Davis Square to downtown Boston, which may be > useful to other people during the DNC: > > http://web.newsguy.com/rnewman/dncbike/ Is Mass Ave not going to be available during the DNC? Just curious because that's how I generally get into downtown Boston. -- Alexander Kahn From ajp@aripollak.com Sat Jul 24 17:21:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.alienhosting.com (discovery.alienhosting.com [216.12.200.63]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9389313349 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9069 invoked by uid 531); 24 Jul 2004 17:21:46 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.60?) (ajp@ebnj.net@155.33.152.205) by discovery.alienhosting.com with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 17:21:46 -0400 Message-ID: <4102D2E9.4050803@aripollak.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:21:45 -0400 From: Ari Pollak User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (X11/20040715) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boston Critical Mass Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Biking from Somerville to Boston during the DNC References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.84.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:21:47 -0000 It'll be open, but it's not exactly low-traffic, nor is it much fun except during Critical Mass. Alexander Kahn wrote: > Is Mass Ave not going to be available during the DNC? Just curious > because that's how I generally get into downtown Boston. > -- > Alexander Kahn From Ken@Kotch.biz Sat Jul 24 17:53:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8FDD13349 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] ([151.199.23.76]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040724215311.BTDF9273.out002.verizon.net@[192.168.2.100]> for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:53:11 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:52:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Biking from Somerville to Boston during the DNC From: "Ken S. Kotch" To: Boston Critical Mass Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4102D2E9.4050803@aripollak.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [151.199.23.76] at Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:53:11 -0500 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:53:13 -0000 Does anyone know where is safe to lock a bike near the fleet center during dnc? I am working there and was there today and saw some police clipping locks and taking bikes- makes me nervous. And its impossible to bring a bike in. They wont even let you bring an umbrella! Thanks, Ken On 7/24/04 5:21 PM, "Ari Pollak" wrote: > It'll be open, but it's not exactly low-traffic, nor is it much fun > except during Critical Mass. > > Alexander Kahn wrote: >> Is Mass Ave not going to be available during the DNC? Just curious >> because that's how I generally get into downtown Boston. >> -- >> Alexander Kahn > _______________________________________________ > Boston Critical Mass mailing list > list@bostoncriticalmass.org > http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list > Ken S. Kotch 617.230.8462 ken@kotch.biz www.kotch.biz From ajp@aripollak.com Sat Jul 24 17:58:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.alienhosting.com (discovery.alienhosting.com [216.12.200.63]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF5E13349 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11886 invoked by uid 531); 24 Jul 2004 17:58:45 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.60?) (ajp@ebnj.net@155.33.152.205) by discovery.alienhosting.com with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 17:58:45 -0400 Message-ID: <4102DB94.9030207@aripollak.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:58:44 -0400 From: Ari Pollak User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (X11/20040715) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boston Critical Mass Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Biking from Somerville to Boston during the DNC References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.84.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 21:58:46 -0000 Well, at least you know it won't get stolen if the police have it :) Kind of funny that you can't bring in an umbrella, but they're fine with laptops.. Ken S. Kotch wrote: > Does anyone know where is safe to lock a bike near the fleet center during > dnc? I am working there and was there today and saw some police clipping > locks and taking bikes- makes me nervous. And its impossible to bring a bike > in. They wont even let you bring an umbrella! > Thanks, > Ken From ajp@aripollak.com Sat Jul 24 19:12:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.alienhosting.com (discovery.alienhosting.com [216.12.200.63]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52BEB13349 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17732 invoked by uid 531); 24 Jul 2004 19:12:22 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.60?) (ajp@ebnj.net@155.33.152.205) by discovery.alienhosting.com with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 19:12:22 -0400 Message-ID: <4102ECD2.8000304@aripollak.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 19:12:18 -0400 From: Ari Pollak User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (X11/20040715) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.84.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] Cyclist saves a life, then continues his ride X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 23:12:23 -0000 Saw this on boston.com today. http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2004/07/24/looking_for_an_angel/ From dabbotthammond@comcast.net Sun Jul 25 16:43:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9349A13355 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hppav (h00e018c6cb30.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.88.80]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004072520434301500ikon8e>; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:43:44 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c47288$e9f85020$50581f42@ne2.client2.attbi.com> From: "David Hammond" To: "Boston Critical Mass" References: <4102DB94.9030207@aripollak.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:49:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] Fair Trade Bike Frames & Components? X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:43:47 -0000 There's an organization working to assure that organic, shade-grown coffee gets support and a market in the West, and the coffee workers/growers get a fair shake - I think it's called Fair Trade something or other. Is there a corresponding organization that makes sure our bike frames and parts aren't made under repressive, sweatshop conditions overseas? If not, I think there should be. Dave Hammond From countrybob@comcast.net Sun Jul 25 16:46:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5A713355 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futurepower (h0001292361f7.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.60.209.99]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004072520462901400dk8qje>; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:46:30 +0000 From: "Robert Fine" To: "Boston Critical Mass" Subject: RE: [*BCM*] Fair Trade Bike Frames & Components? Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:47:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-reply-to: <000701c47288$e9f85020$50581f42@ne2.client2.attbi.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 20:46:31 -0000 yeah, it's called cannondale -----Original Message----- From: bostoncriticalmass-bounces@bostoncriticalmass.org [mailto:bostoncriticalmass-bounces@bostoncriticalmass.org]On Behalf Of David Hammond Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 4:50 PM To: Boston Critical Mass Subject: [*BCM*] Fair Trade Bike Frames & Components? There's an organization working to assure that organic, shade-grown coffee gets support and a market in the West, and the coffee workers/growers get a fair shake - I think it's called Fair Trade something or other. Is there a corresponding organization that makes sure our bike frames and parts aren't made under repressive, sweatshop conditions overseas? If not, I think there should be. Dave Hammond _______________________________________________ Boston Critical Mass mailing list list@bostoncriticalmass.org http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list From rnewman@thecia.net Sun Jul 25 18:13:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C331013349 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.7.197.47] ([207.7.197.47]) by smtp.thecia.net; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:13:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20040725160007.477E413362@bostoncoop.net> References: <20040725160007.477E413362@bostoncoop.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ron Newman Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:13:33 -0400 To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Rcpt-To: Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] Re: Biking from Somerville to Boston during the DNC X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 22:13:41 -0000 On Jul 25, 2004, at 12:00 PM, bostoncriticalmass-request@bostoncriticalmass.org wrote: > Is Mass Ave not going to be available during the DNC? Just curious > because that's how I generally get into downtown Boston. Sure, Mass. Ave. will be open, but it's not a very direct way to downtown, given that it runs through the western edge of Back Bay. From marodvas@yahoo.com Mon Jul 26 07:04:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from web13901.mail.yahoo.com (web13901.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.27]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6887C13355 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20040726110404.79198.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.254.42.163] by web13901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:04:04 PDT Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:04:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Maria Rodriguez Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Re: Biking from Somerville to Boston during the DNC To: Boston Critical Mass In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:04:10 -0000 Please take my email out of this list. Thank you Maria Künzle --- Ron Newman wrote: > > On Jul 25, 2004, at 12:00 PM, > bostoncriticalmass-request@bostoncriticalmass.org wrote: > > Is Mass Ave not going to be available during the DNC? Just > curious > > because that's how I generally get into downtown Boston. > > Sure, Mass. Ave. will be open, but it's not a very direct way to > downtown, given that it runs through the western edge of Back Bay. > > _______________________________________________ > Boston Critical Mass mailing list > list@bostoncriticalmass.org > http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From TSmith4918@aol.com Mon Jul 26 08:29:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B6913349 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TSmith4918@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id a.9.2f18111a (3310) for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:27:26 -0400 (EDT) From: TSmith4918@aol.com Message-ID: <9.2f18111a.2e3652ae@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:27:26 EDT Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Fair Trade Bike Frames & Components? To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1090844846" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5112 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:29:39 -0000 -------------------------------1090844846 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/25/2004 4:43:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, dabbotthammond@comcast.net writes: There's an organization working to assure that organic, shade-grown coffee gets support and a market in the West, and the coffee workers/growers get a fair shake - I think it's called Fair Trade something or other. Is there a corresponding organization that makes sure our bike frames and parts aren't made under repressive, sweatshop conditions overseas? If not, I think there should be. Dave Hammond Equal Exchange is one of these groups/businesses....I agree with Dave, though, even if it means $2000 Huffys -------------------------------1090844846 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 7/25/2004 4:43:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, dabbotth= ammond@comcast.net writes:
There's an organization working to assure that= organic, shade-grown coffee
gets support and a market in the West, and t= he coffee workers/growers get a
fair shake - I think it's called Fair Tra= de something or other.  Is there a
corresponding organization that m= akes sure our bike frames and parts aren't
made under repressive, sweatsh= op conditions overseas?  If not, I think there
should be.

Dav= e Hammond
Equal Exchange is one of these groups/businesses....I agree with Dave,=20= though, even if it means $2000 Huffys
-------------------------------1090844846-- From TSmith4918@aol.com Mon Jul 26 08:34:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE5913349 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TSmith4918@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id a.1c2.1c231629 (3310) for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:26:08 -0400 (EDT) From: TSmith4918@aol.com Message-ID: <1c2.1c231629.2e36525f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:26:07 EDT Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Biking from Somerville to Boston during the DNC To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1090844767" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5112 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:34:02 -0000 -------------------------------1090844767 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/24/2004 5:58:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, ajp@aripollak.com writes: Well, at least you know it won't get stolen if the police have it :) Kind of funny that you can't bring in an umbrella, but they're fine with laptops.. yeah, especially when the bs starts flying during the many speeches, it'd be nice to have some protection... -------------------------------1090844767 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 7/24/2004 5:58:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, ajp@arip= ollak.com writes:
Well, at least you know it won't get stolen if= the police have it :)
Kind of funny that you can't bring in an umbrella= , but they're fine with
laptops..
yeah, especially when the bs starts flying during the many speeches, it= 'd be nice to have some protection...
-------------------------------1090844767-- From alex.kahn@comcast.net Mon Jul 26 18:15:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1759F13349 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.5] (h00a0c5e64923.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.30.14.234]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040726221550011006gms2e>; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:15:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <15D1AE36-DF51-11D8-B1FC-000D9337C892@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org From: Alex Kahn Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:13:55 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] This week's ride(s?) X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:15:53 -0000 So, I know there's a Thursday morning ride. Is there still a Friday evening ride? What time is the Thursday ride? Is it at the usual meeting spot? -- Alexander Kahn From ajp@aripollak.com Mon Jul 26 19:02:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.alienhosting.com (discovery.alienhosting.com [216.12.200.63]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1643313349 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20609 invoked by uid 531); 26 Jul 2004 19:02:28 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.60?) (ajp@ebnj.net@155.33.152.205) by discovery.alienhosting.com with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 26 Jul 2004 19:02:28 -0400 Message-ID: <41058D82.4000502@aripollak.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:02:26 -0400 From: Ari Pollak User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (X11/20040715) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boston Critical Mass Subject: Re: [*BCM*] This week's ride(s?) References: <15D1AE36-DF51-11D8-B1FC-000D9337C892@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <15D1AE36-DF51-11D8-B1FC-000D9337C892@comcast.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.85.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 23:02:29 -0000 Yes, there will be a Friday evening ride (as on the website). Info about the Thursday ride is here: http://blackteasociety.org/calls/critical_mass.php or here: http://ebnj.net/wiki/Main/BostonBikeRides Alex Kahn wrote: > So, I know there's a Thursday morning ride. Is there still a Friday > evening ride? What time is the Thursday ride? Is it at the usual meeting > spot? > -- > Alexander Kahn From IGLEBIKE@aol.com Tue Jul 27 00:14:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3FC13349 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from IGLEBIKE@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id a.29.5d427e35 (16335) for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:14:44 -0400 (EDT) From: IGLEBIKE@aol.com Message-ID: <29.5d427e35.2e3730b3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:14:43 EDT Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Fair Trade Bike Frames & Components? To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1090901683" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5032 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:14:46 -0000 -------------------------------1090901683 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are people right here in greater Boston who actually make frames & forks. I, for one would love to make them for you but you probaly wouldn't want to pay me what it takes to make a fair living to do it. Sincerly Christopher Igleheart Frame & fork builder -------------------------------1090901683 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There are people right here in greater Boston who actually make frames=20= & forks. I, for one would love to make them for you but you probaly=20= wouldn't want to pay me what it takes to make a fair living to do it.
 Sincerly
Christopher Igleheart
Frame & fork builder
-------------------------------1090901683-- From dabbotthammond@comcast.net Tue Jul 27 00:31:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C0FB13349 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hppav (h00e018c6cb30.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.88.80]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004072704311301400dc2pde>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:31:14 +0000 Message-ID: <001301c47393$63858ce0$50581f42@ne2.client2.attbi.com> From: "David Hammond" To: "Boston Critical Mass" References: <29.5d427e35.2e3730b3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Fair Trade Bike Frames & Components? Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:37:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C47371.DA4266E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:31:17 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C47371.DA4266E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You would need to make ONE frame (sans fork - we're probably specifying = Marzocchi suspension forks) to our specifications, which we would source = in Asia, with you to receive a royalty for every frame built there for = us. We're marketing a revolutionary electric-assist bicycle, so the frame = we're after is seriously different from your typical bike frame. Are you interested? Can we get a frame built in Asia, or anywhere else, = that would reflect our desire to deal fairly? David Hammond for Voltaia Design Cooperative ----- Original Message -----=20 From: IGLEBIKE@aol.com=20 To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Fair Trade Bike Frames & Components? There are people right here in greater Boston who actually make frames = & forks. I, for one would love to make them for you but you probaly = wouldn't want to pay me what it takes to make a fair living to do it. Sincerly=20 Christopher Igleheart Frame & fork builder -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Boston Critical Mass mailing list list@bostoncriticalmass.org http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C47371.DA4266E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You would need to make ONE  frame (sans fork - we're probably=20 specifying Marzocchi suspension forks) to our specifications, which we = would=20 source in Asia, with you to receive a royalty for every frame built = there for=20 us.
 
We're marketing a revolutionary electric-assist bicycle, so the = frame we're=20 after is seriously different from your typical  bike frame.
 
Are you interested?  Can we get a frame built in Asia, or = anywhere=20 else, that would reflect our desire to deal fairly?
 
David Hammond
for Voltaia Design Cooperative
 
 
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From:=20 IGLEBIKE@aol.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 = 12:14=20 AM
Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Fair Trade = Bike=20 Frames & Components?

There are people right here in greater Boston who actually make = frames=20 & forks. I, for one would love to make them for you but you = probaly=20 wouldn't want to pay me what it takes to make a fair living to do=20 it.
 Sincerly
Christopher Igleheart
Frame & fork builder

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http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list= ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C47371.DA4266E0-- From jym@econet.org Tue Jul 27 00:48:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: from wild.things.org (wild.things.org [69.17.45.146]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB2C13349 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wild.things.org (Postfix, from userid 108) id 47C5D3C149; Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:40:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jym Dyer To: Boston CM Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Fair Trade Bike Frames & Components? In-reply-to: IGLEBIKE@aol.com's message of "Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:14:43 EDT." References: <29.5d427e35.2e3730b3@aol.com> Message-ID: Organization: NYC vs RNC Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston CM , Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:48:49 -0000 =v= Among its other virtues, the Bike Friday is made in the U.S. under "fair trade" conditions, recycling all scraps, and using least-toxic paints and other solutions: http://www.bikefriday.com/ The Swift Folder follows the same path, and will even make a bike from as many reused parts as you'd like: http://www.swiftfolder.com/ =v= For nonfolding bikes, I dunno, I guess I'd go with Made in the U.S.A.: Cannondale, Rivendell, and Trek, I guess. <_Jym_> From list@moz.geek.nz Tue Jul 27 01:04:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from mail016.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail016.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.167]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C1013349 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 01:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FRED-SMITH (c211-30-222-236.rivrw4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.30.222.236]) (authenticated) by mail016.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i6R54cG23075 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:04:39 +1000 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:04:23 +1000 From: Moz X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1102805456.20040727150423@moz.geek.nz> To: Boston Critical Mass Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Fair Trade Bike Frames & Components? In-Reply-To: <001301c47393$63858ce0$50581f42@ne2.client2.attbi.com> References: <29.5d427e35.2e3730b3@aol.com> <001301c47393$63858ce0$50581f42@ne2.client2.attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Moz , Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 05:04:43 -0000 David said: > You would need to make ONE frame (sans fork - we're probably > specifying Marzocchi suspension forks) to our specifications, which > we would source in Asia, with you to receive a royalty for every > frame built there for us. Isn't that exactly the antithesis of "fair trade"? You get the craftsman to make a single item, then duplicate it as cheaply as possible somewhere else? Royalties are such an open question that I suspect only lawyers would come out of it happy. Also, from an engineering POV, there's a world of difference between a design for a craftsman to build, and a design for mass manufacture in third world conditions. The jump from "thinking, caring" to "just wants to stay alive" is a biggie, and needs to be catered for in the design. Since you're not clear on whether Igleheart would be the designer or simply a local version of your third world sweatshop inhabitant (or something in between), I can't begin to answer it. -- Moz Save homo ped plumbium - they're driving themselves to extinction. From dabbotthammond@comcast.net Tue Jul 27 12:33:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE23213356 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hppav (h00e018c6cb30.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.31.88.80]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20040727163302012009b70ie>; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:33:12 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01c473f8$40227460$50581f42@ne2.client2.attbi.com> From: "David Hammond" To: "Moz" , "Boston Critical Mass" References: <29.5d427e35.2e3730b3@aol.com><001301c47393$63858ce0$50581f42@ne2.client2.attbi.com> <1102805456.20040727150423@moz.geek.nz> Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Fair Trade Bike Frames & Components? Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:39:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:33:14 -0000 Hey, Moz, What's up with all the unjustified ASSumptions? Why do you think I asked the kick-off question to this thread (do you remember what it was, or care)? I want to be sure that IF my bike design proves successful (a HUGE if, I grant you), those who make the frames and other major components are in a union or co-op, getting fairly and justly compensated for labor performed in a safe, comfortable and respectful environment. Under those conditions, having those frames made in the third world would be a good thing, no? Now, maybe I'm being a Pollyanna - maybe those conditions are just a pipe dream - hence, my original question: Is there an organization out there doing for bike frames and components what Fair Trade is doing for coffee? And what's this bling about "mass manufacture in third world conditions? 75% of the chips in the machine you're gonna flame me with are made in third world countries - you think they carve them out of the packed dirt floors of their huts?? "The jump from "thinking, caring" to "just wants to stay alive" is a biggie, and needs to be catered for in the design." Now I feel like the AFLAC duck - WHHAAAA!?!? Did I make that jump? Whoever did, they forgot their chute. What's this got to do with anything? My bike needs a very strong frame that allows an XtraCycle to attach very easily, has clearance for a 4th chainring in the bottom bracket/chainstay area, accepts the Marzocchi MXComp fork, and retains a touring style geometry. The designer of said frame deserves A) a comfortable living making such frames, or B) a comfortable living collecting a royalty from each frame built to her/his design. The designer has the choice. So explain to all of us again how this is the "antithesis of fair trade". If all we find overseas are sweatshops, we plan to do the co-op thing here. Dave Hammond p.s. Know what Mother Nature says to someone driving themselves to extinction? "Here's a free tank of gas, a free map, have a nice trip." d.h. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moz" To: "Boston Critical Mass" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Fair Trade Bike Frames & Components? > David said: > > You would need to make ONE frame (sans fork - we're probably > > specifying Marzocchi suspension forks) to our specifications, which > > we would source in Asia, with you to receive a royalty for every > > frame built there for us. > > Isn't that exactly the antithesis of "fair trade"? You get the > craftsman to make a single item, then duplicate it as cheaply as > possible somewhere else? Royalties are such an open question that I > suspect only lawyers would come out of it happy. > > Also, from an engineering POV, there's a world of difference between a > design for a craftsman to build, and a design for mass manufacture in > third world conditions. The jump from "thinking, caring" to "just > wants to stay alive" is a biggie, and needs to be catered for in the > design. Since you're not clear on whether Igleheart would be the > designer or simply a local version of your third world sweatshop > inhabitant (or something in between), I can't begin to answer it. > > -- > Moz > Save homo ped plumbium - they're driving themselves to extinction. > > _______________________________________________ > Boston Critical Mass mailing list > list@bostoncriticalmass.org > http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list From TSmith4918@aol.com Tue Jul 27 12:53:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2934213356 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TSmith4918@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id a.8d.10aaff50 (1320) for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:53:45 -0400 (EDT) From: TSmith4918@aol.com Message-ID: <8d.10aaff50.2e37e299@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:53:45 EDT Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Fair Trade Bike Frames & Components? To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1090947225" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5112 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:53:51 -0000 -------------------------------1090947225 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/27/2004 12:33:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, dabbotthammond@comcast.net writes: What's this got to do with anything? like, for sure, this is a great great question. -------------------------------1090947225 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 7/27/2004 12:33:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, dabbott= hammond@comcast.net writes:
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like, for sure, this is a great great question.
-------------------------------1090947225-- From turtle@zworg.com Wed Jul 28 10:04:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from vw.zworg.com (vw.zworg.com [207.36.180.93]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DC81335C for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2638 invoked by uid 502); 28 Jul 2004 14:04:17 -0000 To: "Boston Critical Mass" Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Fair Trade Bike Frames & Components? From: "turtle" Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:04:17 -0700 Message-id: <2578.1091023457@zworg.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:04:30 -0000 I just want to point out that one of the reasons that other countries can create products far more cheaply than we US folks can, is because we have such a high standard of living/cost of living. While there is definitely a difference between "scraping by" and "making a living" there is also a difference between "making a living" and "living well". Not saying anything about anyone on this list specifically, but many US citizens would feel that they weren't "making a living if that didn't mean living in a big house with only one or two other people, owning one car per person, buying new toys like stereos and wide screen tvs periodically, and eating lots of prepared food. Many people in other cultures would consider our standard of living to be spoiled. So, are we spoiled, or are they really suffering? The truth of the matter is probably somewhere in between. While I prefer to buy products that are made locally as much as possible, I don't believe that I should boycott products that are made in other countries, simply because the workers are willing to work for less money. (Plus, part of the price difference that we've been talking about here is due to the idea of hand built vs. factory built. Hand built is clearly better when done right, but a factory built bike may be perfectly suitable as well. Customers want the option of choosing either, depending on their needs and budget.) I would wholeheartedly support a bicycle made by a fair trade company, no matter what culture it was built in. -Turtle who notes that TREK doesn't build the entire bicycle in the US anymore... From jym@econet.org Wed Jul 28 11:05:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from wild.things.org (wild.things.org [69.17.45.146]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BED1335C for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wild.things.org (Postfix, from userid 108) id 2DB6C3C1D5; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:57:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jym Dyer To: Boston CM Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Fair Trade Bike Frames & Components? In-reply-to: turtle's message of "Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:04:17 PDT." References: <2578.1091023457@zworg.com> Message-ID: Organization: Brood X Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 07:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston CM , Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:05:37 -0000 > I don't believe that I should boycott products that are made > in other countries, simply because the workers are willing > to work for less money. =v= The word "willing" is an often false presupposition, and indeed, half the issue right there. Another half is of course the environment. There is forced slave labor and child labor involved, authoritarian societies that pawn off the maintenance of poverty as "living wages," and wholesale destruction of the planet's natural resources. =v= Many Americans fought and died for some very basic labor rights, and many of us continue in (and some, murdered for) the struggle for our environment. The struggles have served as a beacon for much of the world -- far more than glib lies about how wonderful it is to exploit cheap labor and lax (or nonexistent) environmental laws. It is not "spoiled" to want some time to ourselves, a living wage, and an unpoisoned place to live and breathe. <_Jym_> From contraelolvido@riseup.net Wed Jul 28 12:46:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: from mail.riseup.net (buffy.riseup.net [69.90.134.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1F91335C for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017B8A2CD4; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.riseup.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (buffy [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25145-12; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.riseup.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4829A2C8C; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) (SquirrelMail authenticated user contraelolvido); by mail.riseup.net with HTTP; Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <10972.contraelolvido.1091033163.squirrel@66.149.54.69> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:46:03 -0400 (EDT) From: contraelolvido@riseup.net To: "Boston Critical Mass" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at riseup.net Cc: blackteasociety@lists.riseup.net Subject: [*BCM*] Critical Mass Tactics X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:46:08 -0000 Here is some information on legal critical mass tactics. This would be good to check out if you plan on coming to tomorrow (thursday's) ride (8am at copley square). http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/07/267628.shtml -- "Freedom without Socialism is privilege and injustice... Socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality" - Mikhail Bakunin In attempts to moderate they ask why we don't write love songs. What is it that we sing then? Our love of life is total, everything we do is an expression of that, everything we write is a love song. - Crass From list@moz.geek.nz Thu Jul 29 03:37:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from mail015.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail015.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.161]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2B5132FF for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 03:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FRED-SMITH (c211-30-222-236.rivrw4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.30.222.236]) (authenticated) by mail015.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i6T7beL08604 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:37:42 +1000 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:37:39 +1000 From: Moz X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <265903910.20040729173739@moz.geek.nz> To: Boston Critical Mass Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Fair Trade Bike Frames & Components? In-Reply-To: <2578.1091023457@zworg.com> References: <2578.1091023457@zworg.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Moz , Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:37:46 -0000 turtle said: > So, are we spoiled, or are they really suffering? The truth of the > matter is probably somewhere in between. Actually, the truth is very simple: the USA is still a slave-owning society. Free trade zones exist purely as pools of captive labor where people are forced to work in appalling conditions for wages that would be a sick joke if levity was appropriate. The alternative facing low-level employees in most FTZs is the capitalist ideal - work or die. They "choose" to work for low wages, they "choose" not to worry about their local environment, their health, their quality of life or anything else, because their other option is so stark. You'll note that the "free trade" catch-phrase is much used to describe this type of exploitation, because it fits the neoconservative dogma that so neatly justifies the earth-raping behaviour of the US elite. "free trade zone" is the obvious extension of the tax holidays and bidding wars that state governments engage in in an effort to prevent corporate/job flight, and I'm sure we all appreciate just how beneficial that game has been to everyone in the USA. Likewise a "free trade deal" like NAFTA or the impending one with Australia is a great way to mobilise stubborn wealth in an upward direction. I note that the USA has mysteriously exempted itself from the "need" to lower trade barriers whenever an important USA lobby group might suffer, while insisting that other countries lie back and think of England (as the saying goes). > I would wholeheartedly support a bicycle made by a fair trade > company, no matter what culture it was built in. So you will be buying either a Canondale or a custom built bike from a local framebuilder, then, to go with other similarly sourced bikes in your collection? I build bikes, I buy locally made bikes, but I still have to use foreign-made parts - tyre factories for example are almost all in FTZs now. -- Moz Save homo ped plumbium - they're driving themselves to extinction. From marodvas@yahoo.com Thu Jul 29 07:57:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: from web13907.mail.yahoo.com (web13907.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.70]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 90949132FF for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20040729115749.96314.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.254.139.235] by web13907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 04:57:49 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 04:57:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Maria Rodriguez To: Moz , Boston Critical Mass In-Reply-To: <265903910.20040729173739@moz.geek.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] Please take me out of this list! X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:57:50 -0000 I don't live in Boston, or even in the States. Thanks. Maria Künzle __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From bikexec@massbike.org Thu Jul 29 09:52:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from mr04.conversent.net (mr04.conversent.net [155.212.2.21]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0078F13356 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Dorie (host116.155.212.135.conversent.net [155.212.135.116]) by mr04.conversent.net (8.13.0/8.13.0) with SMTP id i6TDotnO005375; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:51:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dorie Clark" To: Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:50:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:00:33 -0400 Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] MassBike Action Alert! X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:52:34 -0000 MassBike Action Alert! IMPORTANT: Call Your State Senator! Override the Governor's Veto and Protect All Roadway Users! Governor Romney recently vetoed Outside Section 294 of the '05 Budget, which required the Registry of Motor Vehicles to rewrite the Drivers Education curriculum, manual and test to include bicyclists, pedestrians, and motorcyclists. MassBike has been working with a coalition of other roadways users to develop alternatives to the current Drivers Ed Manual. As it stands now, Drivers Education does not cover ANY roadway users other than automobiles. This is a time when we have a captive audience of citizens to learn about the rules of the road, and it is important to include bicycles, pedestrians, and motorcyclists. Last week, the House--led by State Rep. Anne Paulsen and with the help of Speaker Tom Finneran--voted to override the veto. Now it's the Senate's turn: Please contact your State Senator AS SOON AS POSSIBLE and urge him or her to support an override of the Governor's veto of Outside! Section 294. Also, please ask them to talk to Senate President Robert Travaglini about this important override. To find out who your State Senator is, click here http://wheredoivotema.com/bal/myelectioninfo.php ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- MassBike Seeks Volunteers: Events, Graphic Design, Office Help MassBike needs your help! Here are four great ways to get involved: 1) We need one or more people to staff a MassBike table on Sunday, August 8 for the Larz Anderson Bike Show. 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From alexanderkahn@comcast.net Thu Jul 29 11:40:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7BB132FF for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.5] (h00a0c5e64923.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.30.14.234]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20040729154039013003c69le>; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:40:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <61EC1FC8-E175-11D8-AF39-000D9337C892@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org From: Alexander Kahn Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:38:47 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] That motorcycle cop on today's ride X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:40:44 -0000 First of all, that guy was an asshole. Second, his license plate said "7." Did anyone get his badge number? Also, how did that whole encounter end up? What did the police say after the incident? Will the fellow whose bike was run over be compensated? -- Alexander Kahn From dave@the-wild.net Thu Jul 29 11:46:03 2004 Return-Path: Received: from host47.ipowerweb.com (host47.ipowerweb.com [66.235.195.154]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D414C13356 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpanel by host47.ipowerweb.com with local (Exim 4.24) id 1BqD6V-0001mJ-QV for list@bostoncriticalmass.org; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:45:59 -0700 Received: from 204.167.92.26 ([204.167.92.26]) by www.the-wild.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:45:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1091115959.41091bb7bbff2@www.the-wild.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:45:59 -0400 From: Dave Roberts To: Boston Critical Mass Subject: Re: [*BCM*] That motorcycle cop on today's ride References: <61EC1FC8-E175-11D8-AF39-000D9337C892@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <61EC1FC8-E175-11D8-AF39-000D9337C892@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 204.167.92.26 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host47.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - bostoncriticalmass.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - the-wild.net Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:46:03 -0000 Hmm, guess I missed that, I pretty much bugged out and shadowed the ride after being forced to break the law by two cops and called an asshole by them... All I could figure was great - they're making me break the law, putting me into danger all so they can arrest me for it later... Thanks but no thanks - that's just what they did to me at "Freedom Plaza" in DC. Quoting Alexander Kahn : * First of all, that guy was an asshole. * * Second, his license plate said "7." Did anyone get his badge number? * Also, how did that whole encounter end up? What did the police say * after the incident? Will the fellow whose bike was run over be * compensated? * -- * Alexander Kahn * * _______________________________________________ * Boston Critical Mass mailing list * list@bostoncriticalmass.org * http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list * From crcarter@cs.indiana.edu Thu Jul 29 11:46:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sheepskin.cs.indiana.edu (sheepskin.cs.indiana.edu [129.79.247.107]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D371337D for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sheepskin.cs.indiana.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sheepskin.cs.indiana.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/IUCS_2.62) with ESMTP id i6TFk8hd000833 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:46:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from crcarter@localhost) by sheepskin.cs.indiana.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i6TFk8Pc000832 for list@bostoncriticalmass.org; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:46:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:46:08 -0500 From: Clayton Carter To: Boston Critical Mass Subject: Re: [*BCM*] That motorcycle cop on today's ride Message-ID: <20040729154608.GA128@sheepskin.cs.indiana.edu> References: <61EC1FC8-E175-11D8-AF39-000D9337C892@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <61EC1FC8-E175-11D8-AF39-000D9337C892@comcast.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Clayton Carter , Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:46:10 -0000 While we're on the subject, can anyone provide a ride report for those of us unlucky enough not to be able to go? C On Thu, Jul 29, 2004 at 11:38:47AM -0400, Alexander Kahn wrote: > First of all, that guy was an asshole. > > Second, his license plate said "7." Did anyone get his badge number? > Also, how did that whole encounter end up? What did the police say > after the incident? Will the fellow whose bike was run over be > compensated? -- Clayton Carter crcarter at cs dot indiana dot edu From turtle@zworg.com Thu Jul 29 13:06:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from vw.zworg.com (vw.zworg.com [207.36.180.93]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A978132FF for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14778 invoked by uid 502); 29 Jul 2004 17:06:34 -0000 To: "Boston Critical Mass" Subject: Re: [*BCM*] That motorcycle cop on today's ride From: "turtle" Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:06:34 -0700 Message-id: <14564.1091120794@zworg.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:06:45 -0000 Clayton Carter , > While we're on the subject, can anyone provide a ride report > for those of us unlucky enough not to be able to go? Check out the photos at Indymedia: http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/display/24841/index.php -Turtle two wheels aren't always good, if there's a motor and a cop involved... From kalamity13@yahoo.com Thu Jul 29 14:33:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from web50603.mail.yahoo.com (web50603.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.90]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 15897132FF for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20040729183315.73311.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.171.51.6] by web50603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:33:15 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:33:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "a.k." Subject: Re: [*BCM*] That motorcycle cop on today's ride To: Boston Critical Mass In-Reply-To: <1091115959.41091bb7bbff2@www.the-wild.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:33:16 -0000 how did the cops make you break the law? ( i wasn't there) i'm sorry to hear that. --- Dave Roberts wrote: > Hmm, guess I missed that, I pretty much bugged > out and shadowed the ride after > being forced to break the law by two cops and > called an asshole by them... All > I could figure was great - they're making me > break the law, putting me into > danger all so they can arrest me for it > later... Thanks but no thanks - that's > just what they did to me at "Freedom Plaza" in > DC. > > > > Quoting Alexander Kahn > : > > * First of all, that guy was an asshole. > * > * Second, his license plate said "7." Did > anyone get his badge number? > * Also, how did that whole encounter end up? > What did the police say > * after the incident? Will the fellow whose > bike was run over be > * compensated? > * -- > * Alexander Kahn > * > * > _______________________________________________ > * Boston Critical Mass mailing list > * list@bostoncriticalmass.org > * http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > Boston Critical Mass mailing list > list@bostoncriticalmass.org > http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dmark@MIT.EDU Thu Jul 29 14:43:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (BISCAYNE-ONE-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.80]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFC5132FF for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from manawatu-mail-centre.mit.edu (MANAWATU-MAIL-CENTRE.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.71]) by biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id i6TIhYZZ001610 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mass-toolpike.mit.edu (MASS-TOOLPIKE.MIT.EDU [18.7.16.71]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as dmark@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by manawatu-mail-centre.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id i6TIhXoM023328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dmark@localhost) by mass-toolpike.mit.edu (8.12.9) id i6TIhXn5016429; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200407291843.i6TIhXn5016429@mass-toolpike.mit.edu> To: Boston Critical Mass Subject: Re: [*BCM*] That motorcycle cop on today's ride In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:06:34 -0700. <14564.1091120794@zworg.com> X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:43:33 -0400 From: d karl critz Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:43:35 -0000 The globe's coverage of the police in general and the ride in specific has been shoddy. (links below) I wasn't on the ride this morning, so I don't feel I have a right to write a letter and correct the Globe on its reporting. If you were there, perhaps you should. -k ---------------- * The Globe's coverage of this morning's critical mass does not mention the motorcycle cop. http://www.boston.com/news/politics/conventions/articles/2004/07/29/police_prepare_for_rowdy_protests_on_conventions_last_day_1091114728/ It's also a bit condescending, saying "It wasn't immediately clear what the group was protesting." * This article mentions only that there were "no arrests": http://www.boston.com/news/politics/conventions/articles/2004/07/29/police_protesters_aim_to_keep_calm_on_conventions_last_day/ Furthermore, yesterday there was an article in today's globe talking about how mellow and friendly the boston cops have been with activists. http://www.boston.com/news/politics/conventions/articles/2004/07/28/dnc_smooth_sailing_for_protesters_and_police/ From dave@the-wild.net Thu Jul 29 14:54:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from host47.ipowerweb.com (host47.ipowerweb.com [66.235.195.154]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48AEA132FF for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpanel by host47.ipowerweb.com with local (Exim 4.24) id 1BqG2n-0008Bn-6w for list@bostoncriticalmass.org; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:54:21 -0700 Received: from 204.167.92.26 ([204.167.92.26]) by www.the-wild.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:54:21 -0400 Message-ID: <1091127261.410947dd2986e@www.the-wild.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:54:21 -0400 From: Dave Roberts To: Boston Critical Mass Subject: Re: [*BCM*] That motorcycle cop on today's ride References: <20040729183315.73311.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040729183315.73311.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 204.167.92.26 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host47.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - bostoncriticalmass.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - the-wild.net Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:54:24 -0000 I don't appreciate busting through red lights, so I stop at them. The mass proceeded through a red light, whereupon I stopped at the red light (I was near the back anyway)... A bicycle cop appeared at my left side with his requisite wrap-around sunglasses and told me to get going. I indicated that the light was red and that I would not go. He became quite angered at this point and told me to go, while another bicycle cop or two came up along my other side. I restated that the light was obviously red and pointed to it, now at this time cross traffic was proceeding through the light and pedestrians were entering the intersection. The officer then asked in their normal overbearing power-tripping method if I was "riding with this" and pointed generally toward the mass but more toward the Mass Pike or the South End to which I responded "I'm out riding." Then I hear shouted from my right "Don't be a fucking asshole- answer the question" I look to my right and see some other properly wrap-around sunglass-equipped cop leaning out of his Police SUV (947C) all red-faced and shit. Then the bicycle cop says "You want to ride? GO!" and they all start moving forward on me... so I proceed into traffic through the redlight into a bunch of pedestrians. They continued to rolling-box the mass, so I left and kept my distance usually always a block or two offset from the mass. I don't like to be surrounded by police - at least not that many, bad experiences and all. Quoting "a.k." : * how did the cops make you break the law? ( i * wasn't there) i'm sorry to hear that. * * --- Dave Roberts wrote: * * > Hmm, guess I missed that, I pretty much bugged * > out and shadowed the ride after * > being forced to break the law by two cops and * > called an asshole by them... All * > I could figure was great - they're making me * > break the law, putting me into * > danger all so they can arrest me for it * > later... Thanks but no thanks - that's * > just what they did to me at "Freedom Plaza" in * > DC. * > * > * > * > Quoting Alexander Kahn * > : * > * > * First of all, that guy was an asshole. * > * * > * Second, his license plate said "7." Did * > anyone get his badge number? * > * Also, how did that whole encounter end up? * > What did the police say * > * after the incident? Will the fellow whose * > bike was run over be * > * compensated? * > * -- * > * Alexander Kahn * > * * > * * > _______________________________________________ * > * Boston Critical Mass mailing list * > * list@bostoncriticalmass.org * > * http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list * > * * > * > * > * > _______________________________________________ * > Boston Critical Mass mailing list * > list@bostoncriticalmass.org * > http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list * > * * * * * __________________________________ * Do you Yahoo!? * Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. * http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail * _______________________________________________ * Boston Critical Mass mailing list * list@bostoncriticalmass.org * http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list * From goannego@yahoo.com Thu Jul 29 15:14:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: from web51510.mail.yahoo.com (web51510.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.202]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 13D07132FF for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20040729191432.4982.qmail@web51510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [136.167.236.177] by web51510.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:14:32 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:14:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Anne Wolfe Subject: Re: [*BCM*] That motorcycle cop on today's ride To: Boston Critical Mass In-Reply-To: <200407291843.i6TIhXn5016429@mass-toolpike.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: goannego@yahoo.com, Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:14:33 -0000 The incident with the motorcycle cop made the noon Channel Seven news. Unfortunately *and maybe this is because people on CM refused to give details, I don't know), while they mentioned that a "Critical Mass" was trying to be created by the organization, they seem to be attributing the "action" to the Black T(ea) Society. They did acknowledge that a motorcycle cop ran over the back wheel of a cyclist, but also showed footage of bike cops trying to get to see what happened there, other cyclists refusing to get out of the way to let the bike cops through, and one woman who refused to move screaming at a cop "Don't touch me" when he put his hand on her back to get her to move. --- d karl critz wrote: > > The globe's coverage of the police in general and the ride in specific > has been shoddy. (links below) I wasn't on the ride this morning, so > I don't feel I have a right to write a letter and correct the Globe on > its reporting. If you were there, perhaps you should. > > -k > > ---------------- > > * The Globe's coverage of this morning's critical mass does not > mention the motorcycle cop. > > http://www.boston.com/news/politics/conventions/articles/2004/07/29/police_prepare_for_rowdy_protests_on_conventions_last_day_1091114728/ > > It's also a bit condescending, saying "It wasn't immediately clear what > the group was protesting." > > * This article mentions only that there were "no arrests": > > http://www.boston.com/news/politics/conventions/articles/2004/07/29/police_protesters_aim_to_keep_calm_on_conventions_last_day/ > > Furthermore, yesterday there was an article in today's globe talking > about how mellow and friendly the boston cops have been with activists. > > http://www.boston.com/news/politics/conventions/articles/2004/07/28/dnc_smooth_sailing_for_protesters_and_police/ > _______________________________________________ > Boston Critical Mass mailing list > list@bostoncriticalmass.org > http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list > ===== "If Beethoven had been killed in a plane crash at the age of 22, it would have changed the history of music...and of aviation." --Tom Stoppard __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From goannego@yahoo.com Thu Jul 29 15:32:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: from web51506.mail.yahoo.com (web51506.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.198]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E5814132FF for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20040729193227.91602.qmail@web51506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [136.167.236.131] by web51506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:32:27 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:32:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Anne Wolfe To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] Question X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: goannego@yahoo.com, Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:32:28 -0000 I swear, I'm not trying to be inflammatory or a jerk, but if CM wasn't protesting anything (which my understanding is they're usually not), why the sudden choice to instead of the usual monthly Friday night ride do a ride during the day down by the DNC? While I'm a loony left defender of civil liberties, this seems something close to inviting the police (who are on edge anyway) to engage with you at some level. That's not a problem (this is how civil disobedience works), but then I don't think you can then get annoyed when they actually do engage. ===== "If Beethoven had been killed in a plane crash at the age of 22, it would have changed the history of music...and of aviation." --Tom Stoppard __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dave@the-wild.net Thu Jul 29 15:38:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from host47.ipowerweb.com (host47.ipowerweb.com [66.235.195.154]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8641E132FF for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpanel by host47.ipowerweb.com with local (Exim 4.24) id 1BqGjW-000554-63; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:38:30 -0700 Received: from 204.167.92.26 ([204.167.92.26]) by www.the-wild.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:38:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1091129910.4109523607547@www.the-wild.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:38:30 -0400 From: Dave Roberts To: goannego@yahoo.com, Boston Critical Mass Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Question References: <20040729193227.91602.qmail@web51506.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040729193227.91602.qmail@web51506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 204.167.92.26 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host47.ipowerweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - bostoncriticalmass.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - the-wild.net Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:38:32 -0000 I rode because it is my opinion the delegates and VIP's should have rode more bicycles and been ferried around less by giant SUV's and luxury sedans bearing Michigan Manufacturer Plates. Quoting Anne Wolfe : * I swear, I'm not trying to be inflammatory or a jerk, but if CM wasn't * protesting * anything (which my understanding is they're usually not), why the sudden * choice to * instead of the usual monthly Friday night ride do a ride during the day down * by the DNC? * While I'm a loony left defender of civil liberties, this seems something * close to * inviting the police (who are on edge anyway) to engage with you at some * level. That's * not a problem (this is how civil disobedience works), but then I don't think * you can then * get annoyed when they actually do engage. * * ===== * * "If Beethoven had been killed in a plane crash at the age of 22, it would * have changed the history of music...and of aviation." --Tom Stoppard * * * * * * * * * * * * __________________________________ * Do you Yahoo!? * Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! * http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail * _______________________________________________ * Boston Critical Mass mailing list * list@bostoncriticalmass.org * http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list * From tjvitolo@bu.edu Thu Jul 29 15:54:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from relay6.bu.edu (relay6.bu.edu [128.197.27.236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9B0132FF for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from software4.bu.edu (software4.bu.edu [128.197.27.40]) by relay6.bu.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i6TJHOKA032534 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:17:24 -0400 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by software4.bu.edu ((8.9.3p2.buoit.v1.3)/8.9.3/(BU-S-05/17/2000-v1.1)) id PAA08927 for list@bostoncriticalmass.org; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:17:24 -0400 (EDT) To: Boston Critical Mass Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:17:24 -0400 From: Thomas John Vitolo Message-ID: <1091128644.41094d44a8328@www.bu.edu> References: <200407291843.i6TIhXn5016429@mass-toolpike.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <200407291843.i6TIhXn5016429@mass-toolpike.mit.edu> X-Mailer: SilkyMail v1.1.7 30-June-2002 BU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 129.55.200.20 X-Forwarded-For: 129.55.200.20 Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] Are we confused or dilluted, or am I confused and/or disillusioned? X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:54:03 -0000 As a long time reader, first time writer, I have to ask a few questions: 1. When did Critical Mass expand its goals/ambitions from something like "mo-better bicycle acceptance in society" to something like "We're trying to let the Democrats know we don't approve of them being pro-war and pro-corporation"? The second quote comes from some fellow named Joseph riding in CM this morning, as per the second Globe article posted below. 2. When did the CM mailing list expand its role from CM organization and general bicycling questions to a 20 email discussion on so-called "fair trade"? I ask because while I do agree with the goals of encouraging bicycle use and encouraging better government involvement with cyclists (bicycle lanes, parks, police interaction, etc), I don't necessarily agree with additional socio-political causes "piggybacking" on the cycling motives. That's not to say that I think you guys shouldn't think or speak out on those issues; rather, I worry that the pro-cycling message will get dilluted by the anti-commercialization and anti-war messages. So, what gives? Regards, Tommy V > http://www.boston.com/news/politics/conventions/articles/2004/07/29/police_prepare_for_rowdy_protests_on_conventions_last_day_1091114728/ > http://www.boston.com/news/politics/conventions/articles/2004/07/29/police_protesters_aim_to_keep_calm_on_conventions_last_day/ > http://www.boston.com/news/politics/conventions/articles/2004/07/28/dnc_smooth_sailing_for_protesters_and_police/ Thomas John Vitolo Ph D Systems Engineering Candidate, Boston University From ajp@aripollak.com Thu Jul 29 16:31:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.alienhosting.com (discovery.alienhosting.com [216.12.200.63]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86AAD1337F for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9474 invoked by uid 531); 29 Jul 2004 16:31:12 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO secure.alienhosting.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 29 Jul 2004 16:31:12 -0400 Received: from cantus.ccs.neu.edu ([129.10.115.246]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user ajp@ebnj.net); by secure.alienhosting.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39103.129.10.115.246.1091133072.squirrel@129.10.115.246> In-Reply-To: <1091128644.41094d44a8328@www.bu.edu> References: <200407291843.i6TIhXn5016429@mass-toolpike.mit.edu> <1091128644.41094d44a8328@www.bu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Are we confused or dilluted, or am I confused and/or disillusioned? From: "Ari Pollak" To: "Boston Critical Mass" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:31:13 -0000 I think you're right, a lot of people are using Critical Mass as a basis for furthering a other causes. By using the sheer number and strikingness of the ride, to a bystander it looks like everyone at CM supports the separate causes of all of the other people on the ride. There was a great example of this a couple of months ago, when the guys with the upside-down USA and Jolly Roger flags were hanging out towards the beginning of the ride, and a few bystanders came over and asked what they were protesting. The group of people I was talking to at the time just replied that they had no idea, and that we allow people to wear or carry whatever they want. I have no problem with inclusion, but I think it dilutes the whole message of Critical Mass a bit when people "piggyback" totally unrelated causes onto the ride. "Down with the government" is slightly different than "ride a bike." It's not like you see pro-choice signs at an anti-war rally. Remember, Critical Mass is "not about PROTESTING, but about CELEBRATING our vision of preferable alternatives." If you want to further your cause, by all means, but please respect the environment you're in and what the purpose of it is. Ari Thomas John Vitolo said: > As a long time reader, first time writer, I have to ask a few questions: > > 1. When did Critical Mass expand its goals/ambitions from something like > "mo-better bicycle acceptance in society" to something like "We're trying > to let > the Democrats know we don't approve of them being pro-war and > pro-corporation"? > > The second quote comes from some fellow named Joseph riding in CM this > morning, > as per the second Globe article posted below. > > > 2. When did the CM mailing list expand its role from CM organization and > general bicycling questions to a 20 email discussion on so-called "fair > trade"? > > > I ask because while I do agree with the goals of encouraging bicycle use > and > encouraging better government involvement with cyclists (bicycle lanes, > parks, > police interaction, etc), I don't necessarily agree with additional > socio-political causes "piggybacking" on the cycling motives. That's not > to say > that I think you guys shouldn't think or speak out on those issues; > rather, I > worry that the pro-cycling message will get dilluted by the > anti-commercialization and anti-war messages. > > > So, what gives? > > Regards, > Tommy V > >> > http://www.boston.com/news/politics/conventions/articles/2004/07/29/police_prepare_for_rowdy_protests_on_conventions_last_day_1091114728/ > >> > http://www.boston.com/news/politics/conventions/articles/2004/07/29/police_protesters_aim_to_keep_calm_on_conventions_last_day/ > >> > http://www.boston.com/news/politics/conventions/articles/2004/07/28/dnc_smooth_sailing_for_protesters_and_police/ > > > Thomas John Vitolo > Ph D Systems Engineering Candidate, > Boston University > _______________________________________________ > Boston Critical Mass mailing list > list@bostoncriticalmass.org > http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list > -- ___ ___ / _ | / _ \ Ari Pollak - ari@aripollak.com - www.aripollak.com / __ |/ ___/ /_/ |_/_/ From jefctaylor@hotmail.com Thu Jul 29 16:48:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (bay14-f31.bay14.hotmail.com [64.4.49.31]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3109B132FF for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:48:53 -0700 Received: from 65.104.157.243 by by14fd.bay14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:48:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.104.157.243] X-Originating-Email: [jefctaylor@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jefctaylor@hotmail.com From: "Jeffrey Taylor" To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:48:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2004 20:48:53.0132 (UTC) FILETIME=[75520CC0:01C475AD] Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] Bicycles and other messages X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:48:54 -0000
As far as getting YOUR message or YOUR celebration out at Critical Mass, it is entirely up to YOU.  If someone with a slightly different message or take on what is happening is getting more attention, then YOU have to do what it takes to get your message out.  If CM is about a celebration for you, and you don't like the protesting, bring your party gear on! (whatever that means).  Each of us has an equal ability to make CM what we each want it to be.



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From rawillis3@juno.com Thu Jul 29 17:06:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from m09.lax.untd.com (m09.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.72]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 538DB1337F for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:06:41 -0400 (EDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: 37IoItTkUnDYkYSV4t94wIoiEaEXwkg6W07ONFK0Ze6GQGlnsLhszw== Received: (from rawillis3@juno.com) by m09.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J3Q2MLEJ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:05:51 PDT To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:58:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Bicycles and other messages Message-ID: <20040729.155849.-593921.21.rawillis3@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-6 From: russell a willis iii Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:06:41 -0000 This is the same difficulty many people had a couple of years ago with the ANSWR protests against the escalation toward the Iraq war: the "organizers" had a very strong anti-Israel agenda, and this kept some people away from their demonstrations. I am inclined toward Jeffrey's view on this: everybody bring their own message, and don't worry about someone else's message. rawillis3@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From galaxyglue@yahoo.com Thu Jul 29 17:12:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: from web11206.mail.yahoo.com (web11206.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.188]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2FC291337F for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20040729211215.20547.qmail@web11206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [18.103.3.150] by web11206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:12:15 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:12:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Landers Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Bicycles and other messages To: Boston Critical Mass In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:12:17 -0000 By introducing your own political agenda, taking advantage of the Mass which has turned out for one cause - its own - and hijacking it in the service of your own, you drive people away who otherwise would be regular participants. I haven't ridden in CM since the infamous (unless memories are so short?) ride when the Wonderful Couch broke down in the middle of Comm Ave. Some *coward yahoos*, who styled themselves as anarchists, used the opportunity to throw red paint on a car trapped behind the stopped mass, and then *run away*. My partner intervened with the furious motorist (one Masser did get knocked down) at considerable risk to himself. Nobody (on the list or in person) ever owned up to this stupidity. From what i have seen in Copley and by the discussion of the DNC ride, little has changed over the years. If you can't attract followers, it's because people don't agree with your cause. Don't drag down a worthy cause that people can get behind, for the sake of your selfish ego. To put it in simplistic terms which ideologues might understand: that would be counter-revolutionary. --- Jeffrey Taylor wrote: --------------------------------- As far as getting YOUR message or YOUR celebration out at Critical Mass, it is entirely up to YOU. If someone with a slightly different message or take on what is happening is getting more attention, then YOU have to do what it takes to get your message out. If CM is about a celebration for you, and you don't like the protesting, bring your party gear on! (whatever that means). Each of us has an equal ability to make CM what we each want it to be. www.livejournal.com/users/urbpan --------------------------------- Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > _______________________________________________ > Boston Critical Mass mailing list > list@bostoncriticalmass.org > http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From lfpeters@gis.net Thu Jul 29 17:46:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from gis.net (mx04.gis.net [208.218.130.12]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B3913362 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gis.net ([207.7.194.54]) by mx04.gis.net; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:46:56 -0400 Message-ID: <41097123.6050702@gis.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:50:27 -0400 From: Lee Peters User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rcpt-To: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:29:06 -0400 Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] News! X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:46:59 -0000 Dear pals-I am working at home today and away from my computer, I have been trying to post and don't know if this will work. The 'secondary' Critical Mass ride gathered today at Copley Square, but in a slightly different spot. This made me think that this was a gathering of newbies to Boston's Mass. Then as 8 am. approached, I began seeing familiar faces from our regular ride. Then others began showing up-a number of TV cameras and reporters, local news and some unknowns. They did a couple interviews and took video. The cops showed up, many many cops. Normally, no cops bother us for this ride. I counted 25 bicycle mounted police just before we left. As we rode, they flanked us and pulled up the rear. They held traffic at bay behind us and at intersections. Pretty friendly really, it was funny how they had no clue where we were going next. Neither did we. Then some motorcycle mounted police showed up. They were a nuisance at best with their stinky exhaust and loud tractor engines. At worst they were straight up dangerous by weaving through the crowd of soft fleshy bicyclists. There is more about the danger too.... We weaved about, looking at the people and architecture-making some noise; loving life and the city. We returned to Copley, for a tribal bike circle at the intersection of Dartmouth and Boylston. It was LARGE and so much fun! 120 or so of us (I didn't count bikes). Then we continued up Beacon Hill toward the Fleet Center. We made another circle of bikes riding and chanting near the street leading to the Fleet. That went on for a bit, the press started to show up. Now, I don't know all the details of the next few minutes, but I will share what I saw. The crowd was pulling out of the circle to go AWAY from the Fleet Center away from the police. Some bikers were confronting a number of motorcycle police (Statey's). I don't exactly know the mood of this confrontation. Then a motorcycle revs up and I turn around to see the officer running over a blue bicycle. I took a few snaps of this that I will try and post. A different officer lifted the bike and carried it to the side of the road. The rider chained the now broken bike to a lamp post and hopped onto the back of someone else's bike. We chanted a bit about the police state (and the State Police). We continued the ride, folks seemed fed up with the confrontation part, so the group went back to Copley. I left. I wished we would have gone back to the Fleet, perhaps just to see the dreaded cage, that we didn't need to enter. There was a lot of attention from the press and the police on this ride. It was funny how different our monthly ride is from today's. I love just how slippery our demonstration is. I believe the video might be on NECN, try to find it. See you all Friday! Leapin' Lee Peters From rawillis3@juno.com Thu Jul 29 20:49:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from m09.lax.untd.com (m09.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.72]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 83D8F13356 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:49:38 -0400 (EDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: 37IoItTkUnDYkYSV4t94wIoiEaEXwkg6WjM4W1G1SE0NkeDHLiTV8g== Received: (from rawillis3@juno.com) by m09.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J3RFE38N; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:49:29 PDT To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:41:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [*BCM*] News Message-ID: <20040729.194116.-593921.27.rawillis3@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-6 From: russell a willis iii Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:49:39 -0000 There was brief, sketchy mention of the bike demonstration on Amy Goodman's show -- she said there were arrests, and she mentioned "critical mass" by name. This was at the tail end of the program, and I had the impression she intended to put on more details tomorrow. http://democracynow.org/streampage.pl Worth listening to (second hour) just to hear Al Sharpton's off-script speech from yesterday. rawillis3@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From petervo@beld.net Thu Jul 29 21:42:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from ns3.beld.net (ns3.beld.net [24.233.95.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD71713356 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leadxpaint (dhcp-0-2-a5-b2-6f-2d.cpe.beld.net [24.233.67.107]) by ns3.beld.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C41443B8C5 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000801c475d6$75465050$0d01a8c0@leadxpaint> From: "Peter Vo" To: Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:42:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C475B4.EE1827A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] Some DNC Pictures X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 01:42:17 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C475B4.EE1827A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey all, Here are some shots I took of the morning ride...not much but it's = something. Enjoy http://www.nothingorange.com/dnc/ Peter PS This was my first CM ride and it was amazing THANKS ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C475B4.EE1827A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey all,
 
Here are some shots I took of the = morning=20 ride...not much but it's something.  Enjoy
 
http://www.nothingorange.com/d= nc/
 
 
Peter
 
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This was my first CM ride and it was = amazing=20 THANKS
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C475B4.EE1827A0-- From jym@econet.org Fri Jul 30 00:05:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from wild.things.org (wild.things.org [69.17.45.146]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4709913356 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wild.things.org (Postfix, from userid 108) id DF2D83C161; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:08:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jym Dyer To: Boston CM Subject: Re: [*BCM*] That motorcycle cop on today's ride In-reply-to: Message from "a.k." of "Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:33:15 PDT." References: <20040729183315.73311.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Organization: Brood X Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:08:32 -0700 (PDT) Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston CM , Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:05:26 -0000 > how did the cops make you break the law? > (i wasn't there) i'm sorry to hear that. =v= This is not a question to ask or answer on an Internet list. It's not a secure place to discuss alleged lawbreaking. <_Jym_> From jym@econet.org Fri Jul 30 00:22:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: from wild.things.org (wild.things.org [69.17.45.146]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83DFE13356 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wild.things.org (Postfix, from userid 108) id 261973C163; Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:25:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Jym Dyer To: Boston CM Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Bicycles and other messages In-reply-to: Tom Landers' message of "Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:12:15 PDT." References: <20040729211215.20547.qmail@web11206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Organization: Brood X Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston CM , Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 04:22:36 -0000 > By introducing your own political agenda, taking advantage of > the Mass which ha s turned out for one cause - its own - and > hijacking it in the service of your own, you drive people away > who otherwise would be regular participants. =v= Critical Mass is traffic. If I show up in traffic in a car with bumper stickers, I'm "introducing my own political agenda." If I shop up at Critical Mass with bumper stickers (or signs or flags or flyers with ecological messages), it's no different. =v= No doubt there's some confusion caused by calling the Thursday morning ride "Critical Mass," but I don't see why that should drive anyone away from the Friday night Critical Mass. <_Jym_> -- No Nukes! Close Seabrook! Stop Critical Mass! From lfpeters@gis.net Fri Jul 30 09:06:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from gis.net (mx04.gis.net [208.218.130.12]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BABCA1336C for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gis.net ([207.7.192.233]) by mx04.gis.net; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:06:02 -0400 Message-ID: <410A488B.5050804@gis.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:09:31 -0400 From: Lee Peters User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org, Lee Peters Subject: [*BCM*] News! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:06:05 -0000 I may have mentioned in my write-up the vibe of the newbies at the ride. I believe that Thursday's ride was convened by the Black Tea Society. There were many people that didn't know where we were going, or even much about the city. They even used lingo that we never use on our normal rides. "Mass up" was a slogan used to get everyone together. Does this bother me as a Boston Masser who rides nearly every month for the pure purpose of riding in a safe place among a group of other like minded people? Heck no. For the outsiders to join/co-opt/organize proves the universality of the idea: "Critical Mass". "Critical Mass" may have changed its definition to a word like "demonstration" only with bikes. It is an idea that works like infrastructure, forever generic. If you want it to have a clear message, then organize it into one. If you want to stop at traffic lights, then get others to follow you in that endeavor. (It probably won't work though). If I go on another do-gooder's ride like 'Bikes not Bombs', I see a group of totally different people. This bother's me, but I won't give up my chance to ride through the city in a safe place. It says that some people just can't get into any militancy. Now, if a pro-war group took over the ride, well then I will have to reconsider. There seems to be enough consensus, however, to have a constant number of bikes at these rides. This may be due to its generic quality. This rambling was meant in the nice way. L From h_arisetty@tcbinc.org Fri Jul 30 09:57:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: from tcbinc.org (smtp.tcbinc.org [208.33.242.3]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7F61336C for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tcbdomain-MTA by tcbinc.org with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:57:58 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.3 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:57:42 -0400 From: "Hari Arisetty" To: Subject: Re: [*BCM*] News! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:57:30 -0000 Thanks for the DNC writeup. I'm impressed by the number of people thatyou = said were on the ride. Hari. >>> lfpeters@gis.net 07/30/04 09:09AM >>> I may have mentioned in my write-up the vibe of the newbies at the=20 ride. I believe that Thursday's ride was convened by the Black Tea=20 Society. There were many people that didn't know where we were going,=20 or even much about the city. They even used lingo that we never use on=20 our normal rides. "Mass up" was a slogan used to get everyone together. Does this bother me as a Boston Masser who rides nearly every month for=20 the pure purpose of riding in a safe place among a group of other like=20 minded people? Heck no. For the outsiders to join/co-opt/organize proves the universality of = the=20 idea: "Critical Mass". "Critical Mass" may have changed its definition=20 to a word like "demonstration" only with bikes. It is an idea that=20 works like infrastructure, forever generic. If you want it to have a=20 clear message, then organize it into one. If you want to stop at=20 traffic lights, then get others to follow you in that endeavor. (It=20 probably won't work though).=20 If I go on another do-gooder's ride like 'Bikes not Bombs', I see a=20 group of totally different people. This bother's me, but I won't give=20 up my chance to ride through the city in a safe place. It says that = some=20 people just can't get into any militancy. Now, if a pro-war group = took=20 over the ride, well then I will have to reconsider. There seems to be=20 enough consensus, however, to have a constant number of bikes at these=20 rides. This may be due to its generic quality. This rambling was meant in the nice way. L _______________________________________________ Boston Critical Mass mailing list list@bostoncriticalmass.org=20 http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list From Adam_Shoop@emerson.edu Fri Jul 30 10:01:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: from postal.emerson.edu (postal.emerson.edu [199.94.64.18]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883D71336C for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:01:11 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:01:10 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Critical Mass as a demonstration Thread-Index: AcR2PascM58APTIsQhSgOque90Mucw== From: "Adam Shoop" To: Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] Critical Mass as a demonstration X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:01:12 -0000 Some thoughts on recent matters. First, I was unable to make it to yesterday's early morning ride because = of work, though I might not have come anyway, speculating the nature of = the ride. From the coverage I've seen/heard, my assumptions turned out = to be partly correct. I mostly turn up to the regular CM rides because = it's fun and not very confrontational. russell a willis iii writes: >This is the same difficulty many people had a couple of years ago with >the ANSWR protests against the escalation toward the Iraq war: the >"organizers" had a very strong anti-Israel agenda, and this kept some >people away from their demonstrations.=A0 I am inclined toward = Jeffrey's >view on this: everybody bring their own message, and don't worry about >someone else's message. I don't think the analogy is quite correct. First of all, the statement = "anti-Israel" contains little to no content whatsoever, or about as much = as a commisar in Russia accusing a citizen of being against the state, = deflecting criticism by means of power. I don't mean to be overly = critical, because some of what I saw at the large and small Boston = gatherings, and the two major demonstrations in DC (I missed the global = day of protest in NYC), there are some opinions expressed on signs, or = perhaps even in the talks, that are what I would describe as racist = towards Israelis, and I disagree with them. Whatever ones beliefs on the matter, the issue of Israel/Palestine _is_ = a related concern for Arabs, and more broadly, members of the Islamic = faith. Seeing as how the invasion of Iraq was being prosecuted as part = of the "war on terror", it seems that an effective counter-response = might be to offer other alternatives to reducing the likelihood of = terrorism (even on the narrow grounds of protecting our own interests). = That's the sensible alternative derived in a survey of even well-to-do, = typically "pro-Western" Muslims in the Wall Street Journal right after = 9/11: "Many Arabs and Muslims feel ... the U.S. has propped up = oppressive regimes. [And they see the US] defending Israel=92s = occupation of Arab lands while continuing to hit Iraq with economic = sanctions and military attacks." (The Question in the Rubble: Why = Us?,=94 WSJ, 14 Sept 2001, Sec. A, Pg. 6). Now, whether you think the US = ought to address those concerns (I happen to think they play a large = role in making them worse), is to be asked, though it ought to be = carried on some place other than this list. Now, as a matter of making an effective demonstration, and whether = addressing two issues at once is sensible in terms of what is hoped to = be accomplished, that should be debated as well. Further comments below. Ari writes: >I have no problem with inclusion, but I think it dilutes the whole = message >of Critical Mass a bit when people "piggyback" totally unrelated causes >onto the ride. "Down with the government" is slightly different than = "ride >a bike." It's not like you see pro-choice signs at an anti-war rally. I find this analogy to be a bit better than the aforementioned. CM is a = different kind of demonstration, namely because it is not organized, at = least not in any comparable sense in terms of anti-war demonstrations, = etc. And it couldn't ever really be, unless there were some discussion = or planning before the rides, or as the mechanism behind "the new power = on the streets"--never before seen global demonstrations against a war = that hasn't begun--the internet.=20 Lee Peters writes: >If I go on another do-gooder's ride like 'Bikes not Bombs', I see a >group of totally different people.=A0 This bother's me, but I won't = give >up my chance to ride through the city in a safe place. It says that = some >people just can't get into any militancy.=A0=A0 Now, if a pro-war group = took >over the ride, well then I will have to reconsider.=A0 There seems to = be >enough consensus, however, to have a constant number of bikes at these >rides.=A0 This may be due to its generic quality. It seems like many are in favor of letting people protest whatever they = want, so far as it doesn't conflict with their beliefs. Others are in = favor of the rides simply being about riding bikes. It seems hardly = possible for their to be any resolution to this without more = organization. In my opinion, it's loosely formed nature is quite unique among = demonstrations, and to try to reach some consensus on what, = specifically, is the message of critical mass would diminish this = quality. However, because of that, there are what seem to be some = sensible limitations. Because there is not an effective organizing = principle behind Critical Mass, it hardly seems an effective place to = protest the Democrats' platform, wars, or any truely complex matters--as = Russell noted with the difficulties of ANSWER to link the issue of = Iraqis and Palestinians.=20 I think people need to be met where they are at. When we are out on the = rides, it shouldn't be forgotten that the likemindedness of all of those = around you represent a fairly marginal percentage of the population. = What might make a connection for bike riders might not seem so for those = in cars, like throwing paint on an automobile. This immediately removes = whatever little bit of attention might be placed on whether or not = biking is a sensible alternative to cars (if this is even what riders = hope for), to a conflict about a damaged automobile. I can't imagine = making some logical connection, after someone ruined something of mine, = that I ought to consider alternatives to that item. Similarly, in = forensic debates, the idea is to fight to the death that your position = is correct, and to diminish your opponents' position in any way = possible. Hardly a good convention for understanding and progress. I am = basically iterating simple truisms about human understanding and = problem-solving, and it's hard to say much outside of that. If any auto riders ask me what's going on today while I'm riding, I'll = give the answer I have previously: We're riding bikes. Adam From rawillis3@juno.com Fri Jul 30 10:33:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from m09.lax.untd.com (m09.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.72]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E22CA1336C for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:33:14 -0400 (EDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: 37IoItTkUnDYkYSV4t94wIoiEaEXwkg6HXa5spRr0b2Pzfov/ulsNA== Received: (from rawillis3@juno.com) by m09.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J3SWHN4L; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:32:17 PDT To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:19:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Critical Mass as a demonstration Message-ID: <20040730.091942.-593921.29.rawillis3@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-5,7-10,13-16,18-19,21-26,36-37 From: russell a willis iii Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:33:15 -0000 On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:01:10 -0400 "Adam Shoop" writes: > the statement "anti-Israel" contains little to no content whatsoever -- As used in my earlier post, it was meant to have as little content as possible. > the issue of Israel/Palestine _is_ a related concern for Arabs -- Which is as may be, but it is tangential to my point that by promoting one specific message, ANSWR drove away other anti-war people who did not want to get behind that message. > ought to be carried on some place other than this list. -- There you go. I was not trying to put up the substantive argument, merely the tactical concern. > [quoting Ari] It's not like you see pro-choice signs at an anti-war rally. -- But sometimes you do (e.g., "anti-Israel" signs at an anti-war rally). > We're riding bikes. -- Exactly. And if someone else is also riding a bike and is carrying a sign or wearing a mask or baiting the police, that does not have to be my problem. I liked the guy's story the other day about how he held back half a block and stopped for the red lights, so as to distance himself from elements he did not want to be identified with (but the police got on him anyway). In daily life, it not infrequently happens that I will stop at a light and some other cyclist will blow through. If anything, I think this actually helps with educating motorists, because they can clearly see that not every cyclist fits the cliche of blowing through lights. Just as not every motorist something or other. rawillis3@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! From nrbutler@bostoncoop.net Fri Jul 30 11:04:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: by bostoncoop.net (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 954DC1336C; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [*BCM*] News! In-Reply-To: <410A488B.5050804@gis.net> To: Boston Critical Mass Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:04:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL100 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20040730150425.954DC1336C@bostoncoop.net> From: nrbutler@bostoncoop.net (Nat Butler) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:09:36 -0400 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:04:25 -0000 > They even used lingo that we never use on our normal rides. "Mass up" > was a slogan used to get everyone together. Actually, I've been hearing this term in Boston critical masses for years. I've used it myself here many times. If it was used frequently on yesterday's ride, that probably indicates that folks were getting stressed about the ride thining out and becoming dangerous. Or maybe folks were just a little more focused than usual on keeping the ride tight and safe, what with the cops all around and all... >From what I'm hearing, it sounds like the planners of yesterday's ride, or anyone on the ride for that matter, could have done more to make the ride safer and more enjoyable. We could have drawn up a route map. Perhaps someone should have stood up before the ride to get people to vote on tactics. -N From Adam_Shoop@emerson.edu Fri Jul 30 13:01:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from postal.emerson.edu (postal.emerson.edu [199.94.64.18]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6628E13392 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:01:24 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Critical Mass as a demonstration Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:01:23 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: [*BCM*] Critical Mass as a demonstration Thread-Index: AcR2Vtgh2rCyEtnER/GPT7CeTog2zA== From: "Adam Shoop" To: Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:01:24 -0000 Russell replies: >As used in my earlier post, it was meant to have as little content as >possible. Which I suspected, and eventually arrived at, if you read the entire = post. I wrote: "Now, as a matter of making an effective demonstration, = and whether addressing two issues at once is sensible in terms of what = is hoped to be accomplished, that should be debated as well." >Which is as may be, but it is tangential to my point that by promoting >one specific message, ANSWR drove away other anti-war people who did = not >want to get behind that message. see above. >I was not trying to put up the substantive argument, >merely the tactical concern. Again, we are in agreement. >But sometimes you do (e.g., "anti-Israel" signs at an anti-war rally). Which, essentially, contradicts your point of the effectiveness of = demonstrations. You asserted that the "anti-Israel signs" diminished = the capacity to have a more effective anti-war demonstration in the = run-up to the invasion. >Exactly.=A0 And if someone else is also riding a bike and is carrying a >sign or wearing a mask or baiting the police, that does not have to be = my >problem.=A0 I liked the guy's story the other day about how he held = back >half a block and stopped for the red lights, so as to distance himself >from elements he did not want to be identified with (but the police got >on him anyway).=A0 In daily life, it not infrequently happens that I = will >stop at a light and some other cyclist will blow through.=A0 If = anything, I >think this actually helps with educating motorists, because they can >clearly see that not every cyclist fits the cliche of blowing through >lights.=A0 Just as not every motorist something or other. Perhaps you don't see it as your problem, but chances are, other = motorists and newsreaders see it as your problem. The coverage is so = thin and slanted that of course people are bound to identify the entire = group as sharing those aims. I highly doubt anyone watching the evening = news found a single piece of information on the person who stopped for = traffic lights and kept a safe distance. What it looked like, and what = is was described to me as by co-workers and students my age at Emerson = as they saw the bike riders as they came to work, was "a bunch of weird = looking pirates on bikes" and that is a sector of the population with = which you would expect to be agreeable and responsive. So, picture the = average adult watching the news seeing "a bunch of weird looking pirates = on bikes" clashing with police on bikes and motorcycles. My original postulation, as unclear and meandering as it may have been, = was primarily that there can either be a) a fairly coherent message that = we're "riding bikes" or b) there can be a lot of unrelated, possibly = confusing messages. The difference between "every cyclist is something = or the other" and every motorist, is that I don't know of any motorists = who are participating in a demonstration. You usually don't see 100 = people riding bikes together, unless you are seeing a bike race, a = benefit ride, or Critical Mass (I'm sure I've left something out). = Motorists, passersby, etc., are going to formulate a reason for it, = whether they ask, or whether they assume based on some particular action = (which could be paint being thrown on a car, anti-war signs, or = whatever). I think it's a problem every demonstration faces. Protests about NAFTA = or the WTO aren't referred to, except in the dissident press, as part of = the "Social Justice movement", they are referred to as = "Anti-Globalization protestors". Not only that, the attention is mostly = focused on the troublemakers, and whatever somewhat coherent message = that is being offered, is typically out of the coverage. We don't frame = the debate, "they" do. It's not different for Critical Mass. I hope my remarks, especially those on Israel-Palestine, haven't been = construed as hostile; just a friendly exchange of thoughts. If you (or = anyone) cares to say hello, I'll be at Copley with gray trousers, a = green and white striped shirt, and an ugly toffee colored Peugeot = hybrid. Best regards, Adam From ajp@aripollak.com Fri Jul 30 13:30:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from discovery.alienhosting.com (discovery.alienhosting.com [216.12.200.63]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3836E13387 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8162 invoked by uid 531); 30 Jul 2004 13:30:39 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO secure.alienhosting.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Jul 2004 13:30:39 -0400 Received: from gbo981a.gillette.com ([204.110.99.42]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user ajp@ebnj.net); by secure.alienhosting.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5514.204.110.99.42.1091208639.squirrel@204.110.99.42> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Critical Mass as a demonstration From: "Ari Pollak" To: "Boston Critical Mass" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:30:42 -0000 Adam Shoop said: > My original postulation, as unclear and meandering as it may have been, > was primarily that there can either be a) a fairly coherent message that > we're "riding bikes" or b) there can be a lot of unrelated, possibly > confusing messages. The difference between "every cyclist is something or > the other" and every motorist, is that I don't know of any motorists who > are participating in a demonstration. You usually don't see 100 people > riding bikes together, unless you are seeing a bike race, a benefit ride, > or Critical Mass (I'm sure I've left something out). Motorists, > passersby, etc., are going to formulate a reason for it, whether they ask, > or whether they assume based on some particular action (which could be > paint being thrown on a car, anti-war signs, or whatever). My point exactly. From dbx@pobox.com Fri Jul 30 14:04:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCDB13387 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-6-159-106.c3-0.smr-ubr3.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com ([209.6.159.106] helo=[192.168.0.69]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #7) id 1BqbkC-0003lV-00; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:04:36 -0400 Message-ID: <410A8DA8.5090608@pobox.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:04:24 -0400 From: Dan Barrett User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.1 (X11/20040726) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boston Critical Mass X-Enigmail-Version: 0.84.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] late-night fun X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 18:04:37 -0000 For those north of the river, there's a radar sign set up on (nice smooth and flat) Elm Street, Somerville, as you head into Davis Square. By 11.00pm, there are few enough cars on Elm Street that one can do uninterrupted runs from Star Market to Russell Street. Now, according to the IOC, the men's 1km track record is held by Britain's Jason Queally, who rode it in 1:01.6. That's what, just shy of 36mph? Ugly Peugeots forever, d. From turtle@zworg.com Fri Jul 30 14:35:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from vw.zworg.com (vw.zworg.com [207.36.180.93]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48ABE1339E for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18722 invoked by uid 502); 30 Jul 2004 18:34:50 -0000 To: "Boston Critical Mass" Subject: Re: [*BCM*] late-night fun From: "turtle" Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:34:50 -0700 Message-id: <17689.1091212490@zworg.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 18:35:01 -0000 36 mph is above the speed limit. Please don't speed in my neighborhood. -Turtle Boston Critical Mass wrote: > > For those north of the river, there's a radar sign set up on (nice > smooth and flat) Elm Street, Somerville, as you head into Davis Square. > By 11.00pm, there are few enough cars on Elm Street that one can do > uninterrupted runs from Star Market to Russell Street. > Now, according to the IOC, the men's 1km track record is held by > Britain's Jason Queally, who rode it in 1:01.6. That's what, just shy > of 36mph? > > > Ugly Peugeots forever, > d. > _______________________________________________ > Boston Critical Mass mailing list > list@bostoncriticalmass.org > http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list > From alexanderkahn@comcast.net Fri Jul 30 14:53:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77B213387 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.5] (h00a0c5e64923.ne.client2.attbi.com[66.30.14.234]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <200407301853180110002u7ue>; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 18:53:20 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <000801c475d6$75465050$0d01a8c0@leadxpaint> References: <000801c475d6$75465050$0d01a8c0@leadxpaint> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <73EE27B4-E259-11D8-9361-000D9337C892@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Alexander Kahn Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Some DNC Pictures Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:51:23 -0400 To: Boston Critical Mass X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 18:53:22 -0000 On Jul 29, 2004, at 9:42 PM, Peter Vo wrote: > Here are some shots I took of the morning ride...not much but it's=20 > something.=A0 Enjoy > =A0 > http://www.nothingorange.com/dnc/ Hey, it's me! http://www.nothingorange.com/dnc/images/DSCN0267.jpg In the early morning haste to get to the ride, I couldn't check if my=20 digital camera was ready to go, batterywise. It wasn't but I shot two=20 rolls of film which will be processed soon! -- Alexander Kahn From Robyn@mail2Art.com Fri Jul 30 15:20:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from mwde02la.mail2world.com (mw157.mail2world.com [66.28.189.157]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F88D13387 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by mwde02la.mail2world.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:12:33 -0700 auth-sender: Robyn@mail2Art.com Received: from 10.1.50.1 unverified ([10.1.50.1]) by mwde02la.mail2world.com with Mail2World SMTP Server, Fri 30 Jul 2004 12:12:32 -07:00 Received: from [24.128.49.244] by mail2Art.com with HTTP; 7/30/2004 12:12:32 PM PST thread-index: AcR2aSn56DD7jmNTRqmdIa4/voP1zg== Thread-Topic: please remove from list From: "Robyn Whittington" To: Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 12:12:32 -0700 Message-ID: <23a5d01c47669$29f91590$0a0f010a@mail2world.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_23A5E_01C4762E.7D9A3D90" X-Mailer: Microsoft CDO for Exchange 2000 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam: [FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF,0,37]"\Goods\\Normal" <0> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2004 19:12:33.0445 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AC58D50:01C47669] Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] please remove from list X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 19:20:11 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_23A5E_01C4762E.7D9A3D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please remove me from this list. thanks ------=_NextPart_000_23A5E_01C4762E.7D9A3D90 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please remove me from this list. thanks
------=_NextPart_000_23A5E_01C4762E.7D9A3D90-- From marodvas@yahoo.com Sun Aug 1 08:06:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: from web13901.mail.yahoo.com (web13901.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.27]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E01E13385 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 08:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20040801120630.21906.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.254.248.149] by web13901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Aug 2004 05:06:30 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 05:06:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Maria Rodriguez To: Boston Critical Mass In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] This is the thirt time I ask to be removed X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:06:32 -0000 Please remove me from this list. Thank you, Maria Kuenzle --- Dorie Clark wrote: > MassBike Action Alert! > > > IMPORTANT: Call Your State Senator! > Override the Governor's Veto and Protect All Roadway Users! > > Governor Romney recently vetoed Outside Section 294 of the '05 > Budget, which > required the Registry of Motor Vehicles to rewrite the Drivers > Education > curriculum, manual and test to include bicyclists, pedestrians, and > motorcyclists. > > MassBike has been working with a coalition of other roadways users > to > develop alternatives to the current Drivers Ed Manual. As it stands > now, > Drivers Education does not cover ANY roadway users other than > automobiles. > This is a time when we have a captive audience of citizens to learn > about > the rules of the road, and it is important to include bicycles, > pedestrians, > and motorcyclists. > > Last week, the House--led by State Rep. Anne Paulsen and with the > help of > Speaker Tom Finneran--voted to override the veto. Now it's the > Senate's > turn: Please contact your State Senator AS SOON AS POSSIBLE and > urge him or > her to support an override of the Governor's veto of Outside! > Section 294. > Also, please ask them to talk to Senate President Robert Travaglini > about > this important override. > > To find out who your State Senator is, > > click here http://wheredoivotema.com/bal/myelectioninfo.php > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > MassBike Seeks Volunteers: Events, Graphic Design, Office Help > MassBike needs your help! Here are four great ways to get involved: > > 1) We need one or more people to staff a MassBike table on Sunday, > August 8 > for the Larz Anderson Bike Show. The event runs from 10am-2pm, with > setup at > 9am. > > 2) We need folks with graphic design skills to assist us in > producing > various MassBike materials. > > 3) If you are a student, retiree, or don't have a daytime job, we > need you! > There are lots of administrative tasks that keep MassBike running > smoothly, > and we would love your daytime office help with things like data > entry, > envelope stuffing, online research, etc. > > 4) Are you willing to adopt a bike shop (or several) in your > community and > supply them with MassBike newsletters and membership brochures once > a month? > Join our Bike Shop Outreach Team! > > If you are able to help with any of these important volunteer > projects, > please email bikeinfo@massbike.org or call 617-542-2453. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > Somerville Bike Committee Seeks Members > The Somerville Bicycle Committee (SBC) is looking for bicyclists > who either > live or work in Somerville who are nterested in becoming members of > the > Committee. The Committee meets on the 4th Tuesday of the Month in > the early > evening. The mission of the SBC is to improve conditions for > bicyclists > throughout the City. SBC reviews development plans, comments on > improvements > to roads and the Community Path and develops policies that promote > bicycle > use. Interested persons can contact Stephen Winslow, Bicycle and > Pedestrian > Coordinator, at 617-625-6600 x2519 or e-mail > swinslow@ci.somerville.ma.us. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > Cambridge Community Development Department Seeks Fall Intern > Our friends at the Cambridge Community Development Department's > Environmental Planning and Transportation Division wanted us to let > you know > about a part-time fall internship opportunity. Internships are paid > and will > run 10-15 hours/week during the school year. Interested parties > should > contact Rosalie Anders at 617-349-4604 or randers@cambridgema.gov. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Boston Critical Mass mailing list > list@bostoncriticalmass.org > http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From ThoM3@aol.com Sun Aug 1 10:32:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2696013385 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ThoM3@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id r.cd.12a7ce37 (4004); Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:32:46 -0400 (EDT) From: ThoM3@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:32:46 EDT Subject: Re: [*BCM*] This is the thirt time I ask to be removed To: marodvas@yahoo.com, list@bostoncriticalmass.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1091370766" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 14:32:59 -0000 -------------------------------1091370766 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To answer your indigant spam rant, see the test below: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your bostoncriticalmass.org mailing list memberships. 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 -------------------------------1091370766-- From jym@econet.org Sun Aug 1 11:45:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from wild.things.org (wild.things.org [69.17.45.146]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6D213385 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 11:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wild.things.org (Postfix, from userid 108) id 538E33C133; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 08:48:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jym Dyer To: Boston CM Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Some DNC Pictures In-reply-to: Alexander Kahn's message of "Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:51:23 EDT." References: <73EE27B4-E259-11D8-9361-000D9337C892@comcast.net> Message-ID: Organization: NYC vs RNC Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 08:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston CM , Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 15:45:23 -0000 =v= More photos on Indymedia: http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/display/25223/index.php <_Jym_> From decthree@rcn.com Sun Aug 1 13:00:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: from dix.greenmountainaccess.net (ns2.greenmountainaccess.net [65.19.68.31]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A85E313385 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 501 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2004 17:00:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 4gect) (65.19.74.238) by ns2.greenmountainaccess.net with SMTP; 1 Aug 2004 17:00:21 -0000 Message-ID: <008001c477e9$0c367f80$0500000a@4gect> From: "david cain" To: "Boston Critical Mass" References: <20040801120630.21906.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [*BCM*] This is the thirt time I ask to be removed Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:00:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Cc: X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:00:22 -0000 maria, you have to remove yourself by going to http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list and unsubsribing. you can't just write to the ether and expect it to happen. take a little initiative. dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ See how we built our yurt! ....at: http://homepage.mac.com/decthree/Menu11.html This e-mail is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its natural character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maria Rodriguez" To: "Boston Critical Mass" Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 8:06 AM Subject: [*BCM*] This is the thirt time I ask to be removed > Please remove me from this list. > Thank you, > Maria Kuenzle > > > > --- Dorie Clark wrote: > > > MassBike Action Alert! > > > > > > IMPORTANT: Call Your State Senator! > > Override the Governor's Veto and Protect All Roadway Users! > > > > Governor Romney recently vetoed Outside Section 294 of the '05 > > Budget, which > > required the Registry of Motor Vehicles to rewrite the Drivers > > Education > > curriculum, manual and test to include bicyclists, pedestrians, and > > motorcyclists. > > > > MassBike has been working with a coalition of other roadways users > > to > > develop alternatives to the current Drivers Ed Manual. As it stands > > now, > > Drivers Education does not cover ANY roadway users other than > > automobiles. > > This is a time when we have a captive audience of citizens to learn > > about > > the rules of the road, and it is important to include bicycles, > > pedestrians, > > and motorcyclists. > > > > Last week, the House--led by State Rep. Anne Paulsen and with the > > help of > > Speaker Tom Finneran--voted to override the veto. Now it's the > > Senate's > > turn: Please contact your State Senator AS SOON AS POSSIBLE and > > urge him or > > her to support an override of the Governor's veto of Outside! > > Section 294. > > Also, please ask them to talk to Senate President Robert Travaglini > > about > > this important override. > > > > To find out who your State Senator is, > > > > click here http://wheredoivotema.com/bal/myelectioninfo.php > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > ---- > > > > MassBike Seeks Volunteers: Events, Graphic Design, Office Help > > MassBike needs your help! Here are four great ways to get involved: > > > > 1) We need one or more people to staff a MassBike table on Sunday, > > August 8 > > for the Larz Anderson Bike Show. The event runs from 10am-2pm, with > > setup at > > 9am. > > > > 2) We need folks with graphic design skills to assist us in > > producing > > various MassBike materials. > > > > 3) If you are a student, retiree, or don't have a daytime job, we > > need you! > > There are lots of administrative tasks that keep MassBike running > > smoothly, > > and we would love your daytime office help with things like data > > entry, > > envelope stuffing, online research, etc. > > > > 4) Are you willing to adopt a bike shop (or several) in your > > community and > > supply them with MassBike newsletters and membership brochures once > > a month? > > Join our Bike Shop Outreach Team! > > > > If you are able to help with any of these important volunteer > > projects, > > please email bikeinfo@massbike.org or call 617-542-2453. > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > ---- > > > > Somerville Bike Committee Seeks Members > > The Somerville Bicycle Committee (SBC) is looking for bicyclists > > who either > > live or work in Somerville who are nterested in becoming members of > > the > > Committee. The Committee meets on the 4th Tuesday of the Month in > > the early > > evening. The mission of the SBC is to improve conditions for > > bicyclists > > throughout the City. SBC reviews development plans, comments on > > improvements > > to roads and the Community Path and develops policies that promote > > bicycle > > use. Interested persons can contact Stephen Winslow, Bicycle and > > Pedestrian > > Coordinator, at 617-625-6600 x2519 or e-mail > > swinslow@ci.somerville.ma.us. > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > ---- > > > > Cambridge Community Development Department Seeks Fall Intern > > Our friends at the Cambridge Community Development Department's > > Environmental Planning and Transportation Division wanted us to let > > you know > > about a part-time fall internship opportunity. Internships are paid > > and will > > run 10-15 hours/week during the school year. Interested parties > > should > > contact Rosalie Anders at 617-349-4604 or randers@cambridgema.gov. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Boston Critical Mass mailing list > > list@bostoncriticalmass.org > > http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > Boston Critical Mass mailing list > list@bostoncriticalmass.org > http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list From luke@danky.com Tue Aug 3 01:04:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from funky.danky.com (dsl092-065-123.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.65.123]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86E412E4E9 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 01:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by funky.danky.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 2252018751; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 05:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 141.154.224.93 (SquirrelMail authenticated user luke) by www.danky.com with HTTP; Tue, 3 Aug 2004 01:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1281.141.154.224.93.1091509980.squirrel@www.danky.com> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 01:13:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "luke krafft" To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] providence mass this friday 8/6 4:30pm X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 05:04:40 -0000 providence rhode island critical mass first friday of every month meet at 4:30 ride at 5:00 Garibaldi (Pineapple) Park atwells ave, near 95 from boston- ride: 3-5 hours drive: load up a car w/ 5 bikes and peeps, email this list to set up a ride share bus: 8$ i'm not sure about bike rules commuter rail: 6$, only fold up bikes during rush hour. catch 2:15 south station / 2:20 back bay (non-rush hour) and ride from south attleboro, 30 min ride to pineapple = time to stop and eat on way. also this friday in providence: Haunted cobblestone concert >This is #5 in the haunted cobblestone >sunset concert series. >Streetside listening >Sunset Sounds Tacos Reverberation. >1 hour performance by special guest >JAILBERG >Friday 7:30 -8:30 sharpety sharp >. In the vicinity of 472 west fountain street. provicdence cm site: http://www.dutchmoney.com/criticalmass/ newport ri cm, 3rd friday, 5:30pm Meet at Linden School in Middletown http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion/digression/images/directions.jpg awesome providence bike resources: -recycle-a-bike http://www.dutchmoney.com/criticalmass/programs.htm -circle (A) cycles http://www.circleacycles.com/about.asp From bikexec@massbike.org Wed Aug 4 09:26:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from mr02.conversent.net (mr02.conversent.net [204.17.65.6]) by bostoncoop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4145012E4F4 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Dorie (host116.155.212.135.conversent.net [155.212.135.116]) by mr02.conversent.net (8.13.0/8.13.0) with SMTP id i74DQ2Fa021876; Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:26:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dorie Clark" To: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:25:55 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01C47A05.0B4F7B80" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: [*BCM*] MassBike August Update X-BeenThere: bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Boston Critical Mass List-Id: Boston Critical Mass List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:26:16 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C47A05.0B4F7B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You Did It! MassBike Scores Major Legislative Victory Thanks to your grassroots efforts, MassBike won a major legislative victory late last week. The Massachusetts State Senate overrode Governor Romney’s veto of legislation to require the Registry of Motor Vehicles to update its Drivers Manual and driving test to include information about bicycles and bike safety. The State House of Representatives also overrode the veto last week. As it stands now, Drivers Education does not adequately discuss how drivers should relate to bicyclists on the road. This is the time when a captive audience of citizens becomes educated about driving, and it is essential to include information about all roadway users. We at MassBike feel this is a tremendous step forward and we are extremely appreciative of all our members who wrote and called their Senators. MassBike would like to thank Speaker Finneran and Senate President Travaglini for their help in bringing this vote to the floor; State Rep. Anne Paulsen of Belmont, who tirelessly championed the measure; Senat For more information, read our press release -------------------------------------------------------------------- Register (or Volunteer) Now! MassBike Bike Festival and Time Trial on Saturday, August 28 Don’t miss the cycling event of the season! MassBike’s Second Annual Bike Festival is around the corner. We’ll be gathering on Saturday, August 28 at the Fenn School in Concord for a day of fun rides of all lengths and an afternoon time trial. We also need volunteers for the event—who, incidentally, will get in free. This is a great way to get involved and help out! If you’re interested in assisting with things like registration, ride sweeping, leading kids’ activities, ride marshalling, timing the time trials, helping with materials pickup/setup, etc., please contact Karin at oberon119@hotmail.com or call 617-542-2453. Click here for more details and to register -------------------------------------------------------------------- MassBike Seeks Fundraising Director MassBike—Massachusetts’ statewide bicycling advocacy group—seeks a Director of Fundraising. We are looking for a responsible, driven, and well-spoken candidate to head up our efforts in all fund-generating activities, including event planning, grantwriting, direct mail, merchandise, advertising, and major donor gifts. Previous fundraising experience and familiarity with cycling community are a plus, but not required. Talented recent grads are encouraged to apply. Salary: $24,000/year, including 100% of health insurance. Start date: Mid-August. Please send resume and cover letter to bikexec@massbike.org. -------------------------------------------------------------------- MassBike Fall Internships Available Do you care about the environment, transportation issues, and physical fitness? MassBike, Massachusetts’ statewide bicycling advocacy organization, is seeking fall interns for a substantive, meaningful experience. Our internships are unpaid, but we are committed to ensuring that our interns take on critical projects and develop their professional skills. Internships are available in Graphic Design, Fundraising, Advocacy/Outreach, and Tech/Web. Please send a resume and cover letter to bikeinfo@massbike.org. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Share Your Thoughts with the MBTA The next MBTA Riders Oversight Committee meeting will be held on August 16, from 11am to 1pm at the MBTA Board of Directors Room, 3rd floor, Ten Park Plaza, in Boston. During the meeting’s public co