[*BCM*] A fine point- Hey Jack

[Pete Stidman]

I misspoke a bit there. I meant to say that in urban
areas it's generally lefty types of deals that grow,
not many neo-cons round here. I did preface that by
saying it's never limited to any political bent. my
main point was that whatever we do the method and CM
itself is rooted in politics to the left or even
apolitical. 

I would say that if you're going to react that way
because of what one person said you're probably a bit
too reactionary to deal with a situation where a bunch
of people are required to work together on an equal
footing.  It's kind of a childish thing to do really.
If you want to come, come.

-Pete




--- Jack Zarkauskas <jack.zarkauskas at gmail.com> wrote:

> Based on the newpaper write-up I had originally
> thought joining the bike
> rides in Boston would be a fun, social activity. I'm
> glad I have seen all
> these e-mails. I didn't realize I would be joining a
> "movement" and that the
> group I wanted to enjoy riding with has to be seen
> as "lefty".
> 
> If anyone has information on other riding groups
> that aren't as politically
> charged. could you please forward? Thanks!
> 
> 
> On 1/4/06, Pete Stidman <pstidman at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > I see your point in asking it but the example you
> > chose for it is a bit out there. A neo-con would
> of
> > course be driving a car in order to support
> american
> > industry and oil interests. Show me one neo-con
> that
> > commutes on a bike.
> >
> > There are politics here that can't be denied. Not
> to
> > say we should place anylimit on who can and can't
> > participate, but that the question is almost
> > irrelevant.  CM is an urban movement, which means
> it's
> > got to be lefty to be worth a damn, on top of that
> it
> > uses an anarchist principle of organizing which
> ties
> > it to radicals, or at least people who are willing
> to
> > go against the grain.
> >
> > I think it would be possible to try and popularize
> the
> > thing to more people and all but you'd have to be
> > aware of all the political baggage. Everything's
> > political really.
> >
> > -Pete
> >
> >
> > --- Dan Zarrella <zan at stargeek.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm curious what everyone thinks about the
> poltical
> > > nature of CM?
> > > Can CM exist apolitically? Or is this form of
> bike
> > > activism inextricably
> > > tied to certain "political" leanings?
> > > would a Neo-Con be welcome on the ride?
> > > -Dan
> > >
> > > On 1/3/06, Jason Orach <jorach at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dan Zarella wrote:
> > > > "just as I (perhaps we?) critize the choice
> > > between wage slavery and
> > > > starvation as no choice at all,"
> > > >
> > > > This isn't a criticism of your beliefs Dan,
> but
> > > one of the big turn
> > > > offs for me about CM is the constant crusade
> > > against "the machine" and
> > > > the constant stream of anarchist politics in
> the
> > > ride, I know a lot of
> > > > people feel the same. It alienates a lot of
> people
> > > who aren't
> > > > concerned about bringing down the system, but
> who
> > > just want to be able
> > > > to ride their bikes in peace on the streets.
> > > >
> > > > Let's work together to promote bikes, and
> leave
> > > our political agendas
> > > > at the bike rack.
> > > >
> > > > - Jason Orach
> > > >
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