[*BCM*] Be the change you want to see in the world.

[John Hays]

--- You missed the irony behind the irony, as I knew you would - Trotsky lost in
1905 - from then on until the ice pick struck in 1941, he opposed the
fascism of the Bolsheviks - fat lot of good it did him. --- 


Trotsky did not oppose the brutal authoritarianism (I'm not going to use 
"fascism") of the Bolsheviks - he ENGINEERED it. Trotsky was a key 
supporter of the crushing of the Kronstadt Rebellion and the betrayal 
and subsequent destruction of the Makhnovischna in the Ukraine - two 
genuinely anti-authoritarian, socialist (anarchist) movements within the 
orbit of authoritarian Communism that Trotsky had a hand in brutally 
suppressing. He did not oppose the Bolsheviks - he was a Bolshevik 
(right up until he was expelled). His dispute with Stalin was 
intra-Party political infighting. A strange bit of history to confuse 
for someone to proposes to eliminate "the ideas of bottom and top."

--- You know nothing about "revolution"; otherwise, you would have not called me
a revolutionary.  Revolutionaries seek to switch who's on the bottom and
who's on the top.  I'm all about eliminating the ideas of bottom and top,
and substituting the idea of "How can we live in harmony with our local
ecosystem?"  Top; bottom; wealth; poverty; have no ultimate meaning once the
Fossil Fuel Hegemony has been defeated. ---


The more plausible explanation is that I don't know anything about YOU. 
Since I have approximately 3 posts on a discussion board to go by, this 
shouldn't be surprising. It should be even less surprising since your 
favorite tactic seems to be the "Jes' foolin'" line of debate, where you 
respond to criticisms of your ideas with the assertion that the other 
party just doesn't "get it,"  because you actually meant something other 
than what you said. Since I have precious little context with which to 
judge your comments, you will of course forgive me if I fail to notice 
when you are merely being ironic, or deliberately playing off of irony 
for the purposes of satire

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>[mailto:bostoncriticalmass-bounces at bostoncriticalmass.org] On Behalf Of John
>Hays
>Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:49 PM
>To: Boston Critical Mass
>Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Be the change you want to see in the world.
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>There's a profound irony in trying to play "more revolutionary than 
>thou" and quoting Trotsky at someone while simultaneously advocating... 
>um... flyering and three-word chants. If you want SUVs off the road how 
>about you stick a sharpened screwdriver into their tires or knock off 
>their mirrors with a U-lock (when they're parked and under cover of 
>darkness, of course). I guaran-fucking-tee you Trotsky would get behind 
>that long before "SHAME SHAME SHAME."
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>David Hammond wrote:
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>>Yeah, Baby, let's give the hummer-lovers an issue they can rally around and
>>elect far-right demagogues with.  Maybe then the Republi-fascists can ban
>>bikes altogether.
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>>And you're what? 125 - 300 lbs (guessing) on a <40 lb bike, and you're
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>gonna
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>>run a 5000 lb SUV off the road? What are you - one of the squirrels on that
>>Geico commercial?  To which funeral parlor should I send flowers?  Hey,
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>even
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>>better: mention me in your will first.
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>>SUV owners should be ashamed and embarrassed, not righteously empowered.
>>How can we sustainable transportation enthusiasts accomplish that???
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>>I have a horrendous, gut-wrenching, nauseating photo of an Iraqi child
>>machine-gunned by U.S. forces.  Suppose prints of that photo with the
>>caption "Keep Gas Cheap" get shoved under SUV windshields?  Or a simple
>>"Katrina Thanks You, NOLA Hates You", in 48 point bold arial?
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>>Or how about conducting a NOLA-style funeral procession for the Earth, in
>>the parking lot of a huge auto/SUV dealership, where everyone gets arrested
>>in front of the nightly news cameras?
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>>Or simply, how about a CM where folks pause at a busy intersection, point
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>>the SUVs passing through, and shout "Shame, shame, shame!"
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>>"If you want to win, and not just make a grand gesture of defiance, do not
>>adopt or accept your enemy's strategy, tactics, battlefield, choice of
>>weaponry, or process of propaganda"  Leon Trotsky
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>>Let's get it right this time.
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>>Dave Hammond
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>>>Goddamn hippie liberal bullshit. I want to see a world where every SUV 
>>>has four slashed tires and a gas tank full of sand. I don't want to 
>>>'respect' motorists - I want to run them off the road. 
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>>"(And so on...)
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>>Hmmmm.  While Boston does seem to be a pretty good fit for you and your
>>world view, maybe you'd be even happier in Badhgad?
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>>-Turtle
>>been trying to leave Boston, and it's lovely worldview for a few years
>>now, but appearantly not trying hard enough 'cause I'm still here..."
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>>"One day we must come to see that peace is not merely a distant goal we
>>seek, but that it is a means by which we arrive at that goal.  We must
>>pursue peaceful ends through peaceful means." - Martin Luther King Jr.
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