[*BCM*] Bostoncriticalmass Digest, Vol 39, Issue 32
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ThoM3 at aol.com
Mon Sep 24 20:32:50 EDT 2007
Uhhh I think you have your author's genders and who rides what a tad
but Ok, I think we're all straight now
In a message dated 9/24/2007 7:50:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jeffyboz at gmail.com writes:
Hello Ms. Scooter-driver,
I apologize for using the improper salutation. I haven't done
exhaustive research, but I did find this blog if you're looking for
some amigos: http://blogvespa.com/. I also wanted to apologize for
trampling on your civil rights--I have absolutely no right to tell
you, or any one else, what not to pollute...
'How am I more "polluting" or "nonsense?' On this point, I would
like to apologize to everyone reading this thread... Prior to my
inappropriate response, I was enthusiastically following the thread
about the bike thieves, etc. Now, I'm participating in this
"Obfuscation," you say!? "How so?" Here again, maybe I have it
wrong, but, to my way of thinking, scooters don't have that same
panache regarding revolution as do bikes. When I think scooter--and
this is just me--I think "Roman Holiday" with Audrey Hepburn. I don't
think of some sulpher stained bike messanger standing up to the swarm
on Comm Ave. Ya know?
The point is... Ah, to heck with it... I'm as sick of this as everyone else
Anybody stick it to some cars today? I tried to smash out somebody's
headlight the other day--but my foot just bounced off!! :(
p.s. Long live the scooters!!!
> According to Cambridge City Hall, mopeds and scooters are banned from all
> bike paths.
> In a message dated 9/24/2007 3:36:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, red at mit.edu
> I wasn't going to respond to this, but over the past couple of days,
> it's made me think a lot, and I wanted to share.
> On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 06:04:22PM -0400, Jeff Young wrote:
> > Dear Mr. Scooter-driver,
> While the Vespa may get me chicks, I doubt it can give me a penis.
> > I hope you recover soon so that you can return to riding your bike.
> Thank you! Hopefully it will only be another month or two, I keep seeing
> people on bikes and getting jealous. Sometimes I go down into the basement
> and stare longingly at my bikes. Believe me, I would rather be riding
> a bike than riding a scooter.
> > Until
> > then, please stop polluting this thread with your nonsense--and, stay
> > the bike lane!!
> So there's two statements here:
> 1. I am apparently "polluting" a thread on scooter laws with "nonsense."
> 2. Scooters should stay out of the bike lane.
> I've done three things in this thread (up until now, which totally counts
> as meta-discussion): Cite law, provide personal anecdotes, and provide
> opinions based on my own experiences. Other participants in the thread
> have done the same three things, except that they've been against scooters
> riding in the bike lane. How am I more "polluting" or "nonsense?" If you
> don't agree with my opinions or find my anecdotes interesting (and who
> can compare with those two bike theft stories? Those were _priceless_),
> well, that's fine. But they're not any less valid because of that.
> Bikers often get into debates like "Should you run red lights or not?"
> where some people think that it's important to follow the law and some
> people think it's important to maximize safety or convenience even if
> that means breaking the law. In these debates, people use law citations,
> personal anecdotes, and opinions based on experience to back up their
> views. You know, _rhetoric._ Things can get a little tense, but in the
> past here and in other forums people seem to be able to avoid outright
> name-calling in their discussions. We're all bikers, after all, and we're
> all in it together. Or something.
> When it reaches the point where we're not all bikers, though, things seem
> to get way more hostile. I wasn't even _attacking_ cyclists --- I saw
> myself as a fellow cyclist using a different method of transportation
> because I was in a bad way. I don't think anyone who posted saw me
> that way; I think that for some reason I came across as The Enemy. I
> can't know what's going on in anyone else's head, but it doesn't even
> seem like some of y'all are even reading what I'm saying. (For example,
> you got my gender wrong; "Rachel Elizabeth" isn't terribly ambiguous.
> When people arguing with me mess up something like that, it's hard to
> feel taken seriously.)
> Feeling all this made me realize something --- is this how people who
> don't ride bikes at all feel when I'm talking to them? I mean, we all
> have horror stories about dangerous drivers, poor pedestrians, crazy
> cyclists, and, yes, stupid scooters. I know I tell them to people and
> sometimes they are like "Man, you are so anti-car!" and I thought that
> it was just them, but maybe it _is_ me! I'm going to have to pay
> All of those times that I've yelled at people to share the road? Which
> I'm sure a lot of people on this list have done too? :) That shouldn't,
> I realized, just mean with other bikers. Some people can't or shouldn't
> bike for whatever reason, and they need safe and efficient ways to get
> around the city as well. If providing them with resources to get around
> means making life a little more inconvenient for bikers, well, too bad
> for bikers! Providing bikers with resources doesn't make car commuters
> very happy and you don't see us standing up for _them_. Bike-only culture
> isn't any better than car-only culture. ...OK, well, it is better for the
> environment and better for people's health and supports local businesses
> and discourages crowded roads and keeps the air cleaner... but in some
> ways it's just as narrow-minded. And I never realized that before your
> patronizing flame. So thank you! :)
> As far as your second point --- that scooters should stay out of the
> bike lane --- I'm inclined to agree with androidqueen's interpretation
> of Cambridge law that scooters are only banned from bike-only paths, not
> lanes on shared roads, but I'm not 100% sure either, so I'll find out.
> But your exhortation, unless backed up by something rhetorical like
> cited law, personal anecdotes, or opinions based on experience, falls on
> deaf ears. If this is how you try to convince fellow bikers of things,
> expect to have even less success with people who _don't_ share your
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