[*BCM*] dbl parked

[thom3 at aol.com]

Yes, thank you and bless you.

That all said, is anyone interested in getting action on dbl parked cars or just wax rhetoric about cliches?

-----Original Message-----
From: Hiroyuki Yamada <hyamada at MIT.EDU>
To: Boston Critical Mass <list at bostoncriticalmass.org>
Sent: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 6:13 pm
Subject: Re: [*BCM*] dbl parked



I think, for the purpose of the discussion at hand, (correct me if I am 
istaken) the definition of "wrong," in Thom3's original comment, is 
imply an infraction of the law. Regardless of the somewhat questionable 
ature of "wrong" vs "right," which inherently bring into view a 
ignificantly more clouded discussion, the legality of a certain action 
s much simpler to determine. And in this case, the running of the red 
ight is, in essence, wrong. The fact that another guy over there is 
ouble parked, that another car is driving in a non-existent lane, that 
omeone just drove through the (now) green light going 5 miles over the 
peed limit, all of these have no bearing on the fact that running the 
ed light was wrong to begin with, and the other crimes are not excuse 
or the cyclist to get off easy. If anything, all 4 should be punished 
o the severity that the crime warrants, with no externalities 
ntroduced from neighboring crimes.
When you're dealing with the police, more often than not, "zee rules are 
ee rules" is about as far as you can get; they're probably not too 
nterested in debating moral philosophy, or even legislative intent, and 
ould probably just like to get on with their day. (Granted, some police 
fficers may be over-zealous in their interpretation of certain laws 
gainst others (leading to racism and other forms of bias), but that 
gain is a separate issue.)
--Yuki
John Hays wrote:
 I tend to agree that people trot out "two wrongs don't make a right" in 
 situations where it basically amounts to a non-sequitur, largely on the 
 basis that it's relevance assumes something being contested (that some 
 action in question is in fact a wrong). I will say that it's not 
 particularly clear to me that riding through an intersection under those 
 circumstances is, in any meaningful sense, a wrong. It may very well be 
 that it's _against the law_ to do that, but that's just another 
 non-sequitur, since the fact that something is against the law is not 
 evidence of it being wrong. I shudder to think how many people (even on 
 this list) actually believe that "zee rules are zee rules" is a 
 sufficient justification for the deliberate infliction of suffering upon 
 or deprivation of material assets from a person.

 - John



 Jym Dyer wrote:
   
>>>> 2 wrongs don't make a right.
>>>>         
>>>>           
>>> =v= Ain't it wonderful how this particular topic always
>>> brings out fresh, invigorating new insights?
>>>       
>>>         
>> And just what are your fresh insights?
>>     
>>       
> =v= Here's a tip:  When you find yourself regurgitating the
> world's most obvious clichés for the umpteenth time, as if
> the person you're responding to is a blithering idiot, you
> are wasting your time (and the time of everyone else who
> might be wearing of a cliché-filled inbox).  Perhaps the
> person really is a blithering idiot, in which case your
> words are useless; but what's more likely is that you're
> not attempting to understand what the person is getting
> at, in which case your communication is pointless.
>     <_Jym_>
>
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