[BCM] Electro Bike....Re: Battered Biker Syndrome

Tue Aug 10 18:59:21 EDT 2010

I've recieved 9 e-mails today in my inbox from critical mass, I tried
adding this to my spam list, but I'm still receiving e-mails in my
inbox... who ever is running the show, PLEASE TAKE ME OFF THE E_MAIL
LIST!!! thank you ~BEN~

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Steven Bercu <bercu at limelaw.com> wrote:
> Any thoughts on what is the most effective way to lobby/advocate for the
> following?
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> 1.       Better bicycle parking facilities in Boston.
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> 2.       Safer bicycle lanes/tracks along major transit corridors in the
> greater Boston area.
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> 3.       Clearer definitions in the Mass. General Laws and reg’s regarding
> what is a bicycle.
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> From: bostoncriticalmass-bounces at bostoncriticalmass.org
> [mailto:bostoncriticalmass-bounces at bostoncriticalmass.org] On Behalf Of
> Silivrenion
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:06 PM
> To: Boston Critical Mass
> Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Electro Bike....Re: Battered Biker Syndrome
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>
>
> Well then, that's their loss. We're all bombarded with irrelevant
> information everyday, and the Delete button isn't too far away from this
> email if you're not interested.
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>
> The laws are really unclear as to the definitions of certain vehicles on the
> road. It appears that this is what we have:
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> Mopeds, "motorized bicycles," contain a conventional engine of less than
> 50cc, an automatic transmission, max speed of 30MPH (25 operating), and must
> comply with all road rules, and must pass on the right. Mopeds may use
> bicycle lanes, excluding limited-use recreational paths. Requires a
> registration sticker from the RMV, and a drivers license or permit. From MGL
> 90: "Motorized bicycle'', a pedal bicycle which has a helper motor, or a
> non-pedal bicycle which has a motor, with a cylinder capacity not exceeding
> fifty cubic centimeters, an automatic transmission, and which is capable of
> a maximum speed of no more than thirty miles per hour.
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> Motorized scooters are intended to be those things kids zip around on,
> however the law is extremely vague on defining one. You need a drivers
> license or permit, can ride in bike lanes except limited-use recreational
> paths, and must pass on the right. 20MPH limit. They can't be operated
> during night hours. -- MGL 90: "Motorized scooter'', any 2 wheeled tandem or
> 3 wheeled device, that has handlebars, designed to be stood or sat upon by
> the operator, powered by an electric or gas powered motor that is capable of
> propelling the device with or without human propulsion. The definition of
> "motorized scooter'' shall not include a motorcycle or motorized bicycle or
> a 3 wheeled motorized wheelchair.
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> A  "Motorcycle'' is any motor vehicle having a seat or saddle for the use of
> the rider and designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact
> with the ground, including any bicycle with a motor or driving wheel
> attached, except a tractor or a motor vehicle designed for the carrying of
> golf clubs and not more than four persons, an industrial three-wheel truck,
> a motor vehicle on which the operator and passenger ride within an enclosed
> cab, or a motorized bicycle.
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> Regular bicycles are not defined in the general laws, but there are laws
> about them, including that all bicycles must follow the regular rules of the
> road -- with the exception of passing both left and right.
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>
> So, this leaves us with a problem with the electric bicycle given before.
> Technically, it could be a motorcycle? But motorized bicycles must have real
> engines? So what is it, and what laws are required of it? These
> classifications, and what it is have a lot to do with where it is allowed to
> be parked, and what ways it can be on. Technically, if a nice greenery path
> allows bicycles, it is excluding anything that's not a bicycle -- except
> bicycle isn't defined.
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> Honestly, I think Massachusetts should just rewrite all the classifications
> to contain more specific information.
>
> --------------------
>
> Angela Morley
>
> Founder & CEO, ionFyre Technologies
>
> Computer Specialist, Salem State University Information Technology Services
>
> General Manager, WMWM Salem
>
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Timothy Gorin <tgorin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> it was just a suggestion, do what you will.  it just
> seems counterproductive if people to unsubscribe because they find a
> somewhat tangential conversation a little annoying.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Mars <martian at mit.edu> wrote:
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> Compared to other BCM list threads?
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> On 8/10/2010 4:18 PM, Timothy Gorin wrote:
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> seems like this convo is between a small group of individuals...maybe you
> all could start your own email thread for the purposes of this discussion?
>
> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Jym Dyer <jym at econet.org> wrote:
>
>> The bottom line is that true mopeds (motorized bicycles with
>> pedals) blur the lines of legality, and fall into the same
>> kind of issues as motor scooters.
>
> =v= The bottom line is that this is increasingly off-topic
> for a Critical Mass list, given that Critical Mass is, at
> bare minimum, about bicycles on streets.
>    <_Jym_>
>
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